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Old 09-12-2011, 07:52 AM   #71
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NEW OWNERS/OLD AIRSTREAM

we found our 'affordable to us' 1968 Airstream fixer-upper on CL... it was the year I was conceived & my hubby was born (cool factor) we have numerous leaks & have years of work (while living in her FT) ahead of us... to me... Airstream is a passion & I am proud to have as a home that was made in the USA... so I ENCOURAGE people to buy both new & vintage... new so that way Airstream will stay in biz & we can continue to fix-up our home
& vintage because we'd like to compare rehab stories when we can finally go to a rally

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Old 09-12-2011, 09:02 AM   #72
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"In a nutshell" (as Austin Powers would say), I think the "build" quality has improved, but unfortunately, some of the stuff supplied by vendors has NOT.......bumpers, tail light bezels, towel holders, shower doors, etc., as if they now shop the third world for the cheapest prices......naw, they wouldn't do THAT.....
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Old 09-12-2011, 09:54 AM   #73
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Appologize for the truth?

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So, if I offended any of you I apologize, my comment was not meant to offend anyone, it is meant as a wake up call.
No need to apologize for telling the truth. Let's face it, this site is DEVOTED to the AS, yet the posts speak volumes for rotten floors, bad customer service, appliances that don't work, and so forth. And these comments are from owners. I'd love to see an AS in my future, but I'm sure looking for alternatives. Reading comments like 'Gee, the Bigfoot quality is great and they look good but I bought an Airstream..' and the next sentence laments Bigfoot's possible demise. Did you think this will encourage AS to build a good RV? You voted with your dollars for the lesser quality.

A wake up call isn't needed. Don't worry, AS knows the quality is poor, but hey, you guys keep buying 'em...
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Old 09-12-2011, 10:21 AM   #74
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No need to apologize for telling the truth. Let's face it, this site is DEVOTED to the AS, yet the posts speak volumes for rotten floors, bad customer service, appliances that don't work, and so forth. And these comments are from owners. I'd love to see an AS in my future, but I'm sure looking for alternatives. Reading comments like 'Gee, the Bigfoot quality is great and they look good but I bought an Airstream..' and the next sentence laments Bigfoot's possible demise. Did you think this will encourage AS to build a good RV? You voted with your dollars for the lesser quality.

A wake up call isn't needed. Don't worry, AS knows the quality is poor, but hey, you guys keep buying 'em...
The Bigfoot we purchased new in 2000 had by far more problems when new than did our 2010 Airstream. The factory and dealer were harder to deal with than Airstream. I ended up spending many hours of my own time putting the plumbing and electrical right in the Bigfoot because of the hassle of getting the warranty work done. I had to fight with them to repair bubbles in the gel coat that appeared in the first few months. After they finally fixed them, the repairs were distinctly visible as long as I owned the trailer. There were many examples of shoddy assembly.

I am curious. Do you have any actual experience with owning a new RV or are you just trying to interpret what others have posted?

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Old 09-12-2011, 11:34 AM   #75
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POI....interpreting what others have posted BEFORE you buy is one of the important functions of the Forums.

QC has been a concern and will continue to be until it's adequately addressed.

Prominently displaying a shop-vac, and mentioning on the Tours that the workers are being trained to use it, is not that big a step.

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Old 09-12-2011, 02:29 PM   #76
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POI....interpreting what others have posted BEFORE you buy is one of the important functions of the Forums.

QC has been a concern and will continue to be until it's adequately addressed.

Prominently displaying a shop-vac, and mentioning on the Tours that the workers are being trained to use it, is not that big a step.

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My point is not to excuse the Q/A. My point is that to say - Airstreams are lousily put together, so I am going to look for a substitute - is probably futile. That is certainly my experience. And I am on my 3rd purchased new trailer. They were preceded by 2 truck bed campers. Everything one had more numerous and more serious "on delivery" problems that our Airstream.

Perhaps I was just lucky.

What I would like to hear from is someone who bought a new Airstream after having previously bought another brand new.
This was the point of my question.

Interpreting what others have posted is indeed important, but I personally am not interested in reading someone else's interpretation of what I can read myself. I prefer to read first hand experiences and form my own opinion.

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Old 09-12-2011, 05:39 PM   #77
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What I would like to hear from is someone who bought a new Airstream after having previously bought another brand new.

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I will follow the lead of the tv show "Shark Tank".
I have only bought Vintage, therefore, I am out.
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Old 09-12-2011, 06:58 PM   #78
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I will follow the lead of the tv show "Shark Tank".
I have only bought Vintage, therefore, I am out.
Well, I would do the same thing if Airstreams were boats.

I certainly cannot argue with the logic that most of the problems "should" be out of a fairly new used trailer.

If you are buying vintage, you are not expecting perfection and that makes a big difference in satisfaction.

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Old 09-13-2011, 12:28 PM   #79
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I ordered a 28' 2012 Int'l CCD last month -- and I spent a LOT of time on the AS Forums "educating" myself before putting down my deposit. Last week, I drove from NC to JC to do the factory tour and "see with my own eyes." Also had a chance to chat with some folks who were there having some maintenance done. It was a great experience. I've been in the field of leadership development for 24 years after 20 years in the Army. I think I have a good grasp of what well led organizations look like. My observations of the JC plant: the top guy has an office in the mezzanine above the factory floor....Thor industries is across the street, leadership is present at Airstream; the owners I met were very satisfied with their AS -- less so with their local dealers ability to maintain their trailers which is why several of them brought their trailers "home"; one guy had made an appointment to have a final "go over" before his two year warranty expired (a GREAT idea, IMHO); every single person I talked to or met in either the Services or Plant was immediately responsive to my questions. Even the receptionist took the time to give me the production date for my order. A key indicator of quality is the attitude of the work force. What I observed in the plant by those who are building my trailer affirmed my purchase decision. At the end of the assembly line, Don gave us the option to go in the trailers, look around, ask questions, etc. I did. I spoke to a number of workers -- every one of them said they "loved" working there. I asked one guy how long he'd been there. He said, "I'm pretty new here, but this is a great place to work." Moral: a contented work force produces a higher quality product. At one point, we saw three guys "unriveting" a side panel of a brand new trailer (the interior hadn't been installed). We asked why they were doing this. Upon close inspection you could see a light set of scratches on the CS panel. We were told that this trailer did not meet the quality standard and the entire side panel would have to be replaced before it moved further in the plant. Don made the comment, "that's just the way it is --- better to have found the defect now!" I observed three guys intently analyzing some caulking on the lower trim of a brand new Bambi. They were not happy with the way it looked. It was getting redone. In terms of "Made in USA" -- well there were a LOT of component boxes with "Made in China" on them. I can't even imagine how many components within every other component has a non-USA origin. That's the way of the world; interdependence is where we are and where we will be. My experience in the plant and with the AS people validated my purchase. I think the cards are stacked in my favor with this purchase. For me, it's about QUALITY with whatever I buy. For cars, I have one German car (M/B), one Japanese--my TV (Infinity QX 56), and one Italian (Lambo). Everyone of these vehicles is "international" in one respect or another. They are all beautiful to look at, they more than meet or exceed my expectations, and I don't replace them every year. I expect the same experience with my Airstream and fully understand that there will be some bugs to work out. If you haven't been to JC -- go and see for yourself. I think you'll be as impressed as I was.
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Great News BAB

Look forward to the pic's, keep on posting.
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:48 PM   #81
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Hello BAB,
Wow,great posting, could you be the wind beneath my wings? I have dodged so many comment on my upcoming order of the new Flying Cloud. Everyone was frugally recommending buying a used model. I have been studying AS for some time. My mentor had one and I remembered from 30 years ago that one day I just gonna have myself one of this. The time has come I have my eyes set on the 2012 FC 20 ft and was surfing around this forum it was plain disappointed to read so much negative posting about purchasing the new AS left alone negative advice on how I am going to pay for it, come on it's my money, I will do what I wish. I am 62 year young and plan that this is what me ,my wife and MUMU my Shar Pei will see the country in our long await prolong vacation (I hate to refer to it as retirement). I am not a 25 year old graduate that will change the car every 3 years. We are going to be in this for a long run, and this could be our one and only AS.

That's said, let's cheer, congratulation on your AS, I will post the pics of mine as soon as I take delivery. And in 2 years, we should retire then, I will take the pilgrim to JC camp out let the folk check the FC before the warranty run out.

Congratulation!!!
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:20 PM   #82
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Yay for y'all and MUMU! Isn't it great to do something just because you want to? My husband and I and Melvin (our pekingese and our favorite child!) also plan to hit the road and see the country. We're about 18 months away from our dream trip. Until then, we'll contiinue long weekends and vacations. Our longest trip was 10 days that took us from Florida to Maryland and back. It was great! Is our rig perfect? No, but we love the Silver Peanut!

I think that most of the people on this forum who criticize Airstreams do it out of love for the history and a desire to see the legend continue. You gotta appreciate their passion.

I know you'll have a ball with your shiney new Flying Cloud. I can just imagine how cute it's going to be! But - be very careful because Airstreams are addictive. Heck, two years ago, we had never thought about a travel trailer; now, we're talking about full-timing. And the best part about being our age is that you can go on a completely new adventure with no worries about the pitter-patter of little feet changing your plans!

Looking forward to your pictures!
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:37 PM   #83
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Yeeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaaw. I sure duz know how to stir zee pot.

BAB, Yeeeeeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaaaaaw (II). Can you line the Benz, Infiniti, Lambo, and 2012 Airstream up for another poster like this???



I never got meeself an edukation. Jest marryied somewon with a week heart and big bank balance. Thatz how I gawt my Airstreem. Heck...i don't care if the floor rotz. I just go and gets me another wun!!
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:25 AM   #84
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Lining 'Em Up

I'm gonna' line up my $17K Honda and my 1996 Chevy Blazer for my own photo shoot...
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