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08-20-2011, 08:34 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Spokane
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OK, I am going with my opinion here.
I think it (mainly) comes down to money, pure and simple. Those who can afford new will buy new. Those who can't will look for the best trailer out there that they can afford.
Then the justifications follow and some can be rather nasty. You can call it jealousy or you can call it insecurity or whatever but that is what you hear from those who are quick to criticize others. I bought a relatively "new" used trailer because it was the best I could find. I do not appreciate people telling me that it isn't as good as their '92 or '87 or any other year. Every trailer out there has problems or will have problems. Some trailers more so than others and some years were worse than others but that doesn't change my current situation.
I am handy but I am not skilled enough to take on a full frame off restoration. I admire those who can and I look at their units with even greater admiration knowing that they are works of love. It is the same to me as a vintage car that has been totally restored. Do you think the owner of that '55 Chevy would say you were crazy to buy a new Chevrolet? Why do you suppose some Airstream owners do this? I find the discussions about WD hitches similar in tone at times. If you buy Brand A and I buy Brand B, I really don't want to hear you saying that I am putting the safety of my family at risk because I chose a different hitch. Some nasty stuff can come out if we are not careful.
I like my Airstream but refuse to take shots at my buddy who just spent a large sum of money on his new white box trailer. To each his own.
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08-21-2011, 09:10 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Plymouth Meeting
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Quote:
Originally Posted by justbrian
hand at six O'clock on the wheel. Hand go's in desired direction of trailer...wup, don't look back.
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This forum has all sorts of good information, not the least of which is quoted. With the ton of experienced AS owners belonging to this Forum, the simple suggestion seems obvious but to novices (like me) it gets the learning curve going. Of course, pull though parking is always appreciated....
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08-21-2011, 09:46 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
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Aftermath, I don't see where any vintage owner is criticizing anyone for buying new. The topic is about the concerns voiced by new Airstream owners who, right here on the forums, have started a considerable number of posts about the quality issues of their own trailers. As I mentioned earlier, it is human nature to speak up about problems but they rarely speak up when things are right. Please don't turn this into another "us vs. them" thread. There's enough of that in the WBCC threads.
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08-22-2011, 03:44 PM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cameront120
Aftermath, I don't see where any vintage owner is criticizing anyone for buying new. The topic is about the concerns voiced by new Airstream owners who, right here on the forums, have started a considerable number of posts about the quality issues of their own trailers. As I mentioned earlier, it is human nature to speak up about problems but they rarely speak up when things are right. Please don't turn this into another "us vs. them" thread. There's enough of that in the WBCC threads.
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Not my intent to divide. Rather, prevent division via discussion. Clear the air so to speak.
It's my experience/observation that gagging results in deep rifts. Cripes...isn't the world divided enough right now?
Sorry that I haven't been able to respond to all the latter replies personally - combination of being busy and sick.
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08-22-2011, 04:02 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
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So new Airstream owners shouldn't come here to vent about the problems that they're having? As I see it, that's what they're doing - coming here, expressing their concerns and disappointments and, maybe, looking for a group of people who will understand and sympathize with what they're going through. I'm not sure I see where the air needs to be cleared, because I don't see where new Airstream owners are being belittled for their decision. Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to achieve with this thread. It's almost as though you're asking that no one air any concerns that they may have about the quality of their new trailers.
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North Vancouver, BC
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08-22-2011, 04:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Sorry....think you misconstrued my message.
Was promoting openness for all. That's what I meant by clearing the air.
I think you are reading between the lines a tad much.
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08-22-2011, 04:16 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
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I may be. But as I said in my first reply, people are prone to complain when encountered with a problem. So, if a new Airstream owner finds quality control issues with his new rig, he's likely going to look to find a place where he can voice his concerns. That place is often this forum. What would you have people do?
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North Vancouver, BC
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08-22-2011, 05:00 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
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The best... and only thing about an Airstream, is that it's an Airstream, if it hadn't been, I wouldn't have had either a 63 Safari or a new 03 Classic.
And yes, I've praised and bitched about both, so what.
I wouldn't change a thing.
Bob
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08-22-2011, 06:58 PM
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Port Orchard
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Huh?
I'm trying to figure this thread out.
Near as I can tell it is an argument about whether or not to argue, and if so, what to argue about and what exactly to call the argument.
If I'm not right, please don't burst my bubble.
Ken
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08-22-2011, 07:15 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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08-22-2011, 09:45 PM
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Port Orchard
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
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Where did you find that?
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08-22-2011, 09:55 PM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts
I'm trying to figure this thread out.
Near as I can tell it is an argument about whether or not to argue, and if so, what to argue about and what exactly to call the argument.
If I'm not right, please don't burst my bubble.
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Well, what can I say? It's just like me practicing the backing up (with trailer) prior to the shakedown cruise.
The poor Airstream goes one way, then it goes the other way, and we're headed right for the fence/ditch/tree/side of the garage (take your pick).
Then I get fed up because we're going no where fast.
As the neighbour said, next time you're "practicing" backing up, can you let me know because I want to bring my lawn chair and a beer. Best entertainment around!
But, I know what to call these backing-up gigs. That's for sure. An exercise in futility. Now I've cancelled the back-in RV park for one with 100% drive-thru sites. So, I'm going.....but the thought of a back-in site is about as appealing as a root canal at this point in time.
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08-23-2011, 05:39 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts
Where did you find that?
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It was started by a very eccentric, enthusiastic, erudite, engaging, and thoroughly engrossing fellow Stream'r.
Bob
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08-23-2011, 07:27 AM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
It was started by a very eccentric, enthusiastic, erudite, engaging, and thoroughly engrossing fellow Stream'r.
Bob
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Thank-you, but I don't think I deserve all the credit.
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08-23-2011, 07:34 AM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cameront120
I may be. But as I said in my first reply, people are prone to complain when encountered with a problem. So, if a new Airstream owner finds quality control issues with his new rig, he's likely going to look to find a place where he can voice his concerns. That place is often this forum. What would you have people do?
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Voicing concerns or throwing the bathwater (or black-tank water) out with the new baby which doesn't help anyone...and the implications go way beyond this arena.
If I had a dollar for every "Don't buy new" I have encountered on this forum, it would have resulted in a substantial down payment for my new trailer.
That was the gist of my original post.
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08-23-2011, 07:47 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Wann'a Argue...
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Originally Posted by Fly at Night
Thank-you, but I don't think I deserve all the credit.
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Your very welcome.......but this was the original Argue thread, a fun place to go if the mood strikes.
Bob
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08-23-2011, 08:08 AM
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Ready-to-Travel
2012 30' International
Walkerton
, Virginia
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly at Night
And dammit! There goes my toilet. My 1 1/2 year-old Flying Cloud toilet won't flush. Help!
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Sounds like a shopping opportunity to me!
Pat
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08-23-2011, 08:14 AM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
FaN
Your very welcome.......but this was the original Argue thread, a fun place to go if the mood strikes.
Bob
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Thanks, but I think I'll just start one of my own.
How about "The Airstream World Would be Better Off Without These Airstream Owners (Old or New)" then started a list.....
and encouraged others to add to it......with verbosity?
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08-23-2011, 08:22 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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I'm old, but but low on verbose...do 'dat count?
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08-23-2011, 08:27 AM
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Rivet Master
2010 27' FB Flying Cloud
Fraser Valley
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Originally Posted by Fly at Night
And dammit! There goes my toilet. My 1 1/2 year-old Flying Cloud toilet won't flush. Help!
Quote:
Originally Posted by pmclemore
Sounds like a shopping opportunity to me!
Pat
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Is the "Don't buy new!" mantra also applicable to toilets?
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