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Old 02-03-2015, 04:07 PM   #15
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Buddy of mine uses Vodka to 'winterize'.. but, it only gets into the teens around here... Buy a gallon, add 3 quarts to the 10 fresh water gallons in the AS fresh tank. Pump thru the system. Enough will fill the sink traps to winterize.

No issues... but this is an SOB... so..... for AS, drink the first quart before, during, after and reapply as necessary till it 'warms up' enough for you to camp.

Oh.. and he does NOT flush the lines prior to ... use.
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Or just drink all the vodka, and put some anti-freeze (such as windshield washer fluid) into your waste water system. Then you have to blow out the pipes and rely on water bottles and park showers-- but with all the vodka consumption, you won't mind it so much.
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If traveling and using the trailer when temps are in 40's during the day but 20's at night, is it generally OK to keep water in the fresh plumbing system? Those low point drains would be my biggest concern. Going to be facing this for the first time soon I think.
We are Snowbird travelers during the winter months. Our FC 25 RB has two brass low point drains for hot/cold water system, and a plastic drain for the fresh water tank. All are exposed to cold air under the Airstream, so I turn off the pump or city water supply and open them to drain on these cold nights, and leave open until morning when it warms up. I have read reports of these valves freezing and breaking, they are difficult to replace. The brass valves are the most likely to break.
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Buddy of mine uses Vodka to 'winterize'.. but, it only gets into the teens around here... Buy a gallon, add 3 quarts to the 10 fresh water gallons in the AS fresh tank. Pump thru the system. Enough will fill the sink traps to winterize.

No issues... but this is an SOB... so..... for AS, drink the first quart before, during, after and reapply as necessary till it 'warms up' enough for you to camp.

Oh.. and he does NOT flush the lines prior to ... use.
Is there a driver that justifies using cheap vodka, say $10.00 a gallon over RV antifreeze at an average cost of $3.75 a gallon? Just curious, plus Oranges are out of season when it's time to flush the system come Spring.
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We are Snowbird travelers during the winter months. Our FC 25 RB has two brass low point drains for hot/cold water system, and a plastic drain for the fresh water tank. All are exposed to cold air under the Airstream, so I turn off the pump or city water supply and open them to drain on these cold nights, and leave open until morning when it warms up. I have read reports of these valves freezing and breaking, they are difficult to replace. The brass valves are the most likely to break.
Thanks. That's what I am going to go with. Guess I will keep some additional water handy to flush the toilet. Or maybe the pump will build enough pressure to do that even with the drain open?

Interesting as I will be going south in a 25' with standard drop toilet but returning with a 30' that has a maceration pump in the toilet. May need the water on to flush that?
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We are Snowbird travelers during the winter months. Our FC 25 RB has two brass low point drains for hot/cold water system, and a plastic drain for the fresh water tank. All are exposed to cold air under the Airstream, so I turn off the pump or city water supply and open them to drain on these cold nights, and leave open until morning when it warms up. I have read reports of these valves freezing and breaking, they are difficult to replace. The brass valves are the most likely to break.
Btw, do you drain the hot water heater too?
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Buddy of mine uses Vodka to 'winterize'.. but, it only gets into the teens around here... .
Round here, we make the teens buy their own d**n vodka.
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Not an uncommon occurrence here in the early spring and late fall. Typically the trailer is home and we are preparing for or just got back home from an outing. I'll just keep the water heater on electric and set the thermostat for the furnace to its lowest setting. I'll also open any cabinets or doors where water pipes are present. Never have had a freeze up or damage to any piping or drain traps. My water heater is access in the sink cabinet in the bathroom. The water in the hot water tank staying hot keeps all the lines and valves warm. The furnace ducts also pass through the compartment housing the water pump thus staying warm enough.

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Is there a driver that justifies using cheap vodka, say $10.00 a gallon over RV antifreeze at an average cost of $3.75 a gallon? Just curious, plus Oranges are out of season when it's time to flush the system come Spring.
I use 'concentrated' OJ.. after a couple, you don't care..

He figures.. "I don't have to flush the system.. just use the water. "

Just trying to offer the facts as I have imagined them..
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Btw, do you drain the hot water heater too?
No I don't drain the hot water heater but I do heat it before bedtime and before opening the hot/cold and fresh water drains, believing the hot water tank and surrounding plumbing less likely to freeze.

I fill a gallon jug of water and set on the bathroom counter for late night flush. The water pump won't provide flush water with the bottom drains open, anything there will just be pumped out the brass drain valves.

The valves for my black and gray tanks are also exposed to cold air, so I figure they could freeze/break too if anything is in the tanks. So if hooked to campground sewer, I leave those valves open during the night as well. If dry camping and not using gray and black tanks, I can line the bowel with a plastic kitchen trash bag, empty it in the morning.

The other exposed plumbing may be the external shower compartment. I've got a piece of thick foam that I put in there and close to door to provide some insulation. And the external city water hookup, which I disconnect on hard freeze nights (mid-twenties or so for several hours) and drain the hose.
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Btw, do you drain the hot water heater too?
If you are winterizing, yes. The main thing is to clear the pipes with an air compressor. Our neighbour has one and does this himself, but we just get it done at the nearby RV service center. If you are not really winterizing but just want to make it through a few cold nights, it's not necessary.
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