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Old 08-23-2019, 09:54 PM   #61
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All 51s had the under-fuselage air scoop, but it was modified and refined over the course of the war, along with other improvements like the bubble canopy and improved engine that took an otherwise adequate fighter and transformed it into what many believe (thought some might argue) was the pinnacle of piston-engine fighters of it's era.[/URL]
It took the Rolls-Royce Merlin, built under license to make the P51 the fighter it was.
I would argue that the Hawker Sea Fury, Dehaviland Mosquito or Dornier 335 Pfeil would be my picks for top dogs.

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Old 08-24-2019, 12:01 PM   #62
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Curiously, the Mustang started as a British airplane, offered and built by NAA. The RR Merlin was the second engine, making in, in British Parlance, the Mustang Mk III. So there is plenty of British in the Mustang.

Now, the D had the Packard engine, further increasing its performance. P-51s (later F-51s) were in service in one form or another in various air forces around the world into the 1980s. Pretty impressive by any standard for a prop fighter in the jet age. What a shame so many late in the war went straight from the assembly line into scrap! If there was ever a more lamentable fate for such a fine linage of aircraft, I would cry to hear it.

BTW, what's twice as good as a P-51? How about the P/F-82 Twin Mustang?
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More my style.

I'd hate to fly a steam-powered aircraft during a Canadian winter, though.

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And what is an airplane without a good pllot? Zilch.

So sorry to read that Al Haynes, Captain of United Flt. 232, has passed. Before the "Miracle on the Hudson," there was the miracle in an Iowa cornfield.

R.I.P. Captain. 187 people owe their lives to you and your crew.
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And what is an airplane without a good pllot? Zilch.

So sorry to read that Al Haynes, Captain of United Flt. 232, has passed. Before the "Miracle on the Hudson," there was the miracle in an Iowa cornfield.

R.I.P. Captain. 187 people owe their lives to you and your crew.
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National Museum of the United States Airforce

So, I stopped by the Air Force Museum yesterday, here are a few pics with some of your favorite planes. Note these are all USAF planes, so they show no love for Navy or civilian planes (excepting for the USAAC/USAF versions thereof). You can probably recognize your favs.

I might post some more pics later, if you guys can name all these.

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.....I might post some more pics later, if you guys can name all these.

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C47, P38, P51, F100, B47 and one of these.......
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Sooooooo close. You correctly identified all the birds but the bomber. I made sure to include it here for Bob, since it was his favorite.

In previous years, when the museum was 1/4 the size it is today, they had this plane elevated, and you were allowed to walk underneath and gaze as long as you liked into the bomb bays. It was fascinating to see all the electrical lines, control cables, sealed crew tunnels and structure of this aircraft. One bay was filled with a giant fuel tank to increase it's time aloft. Back in their day, these aircraft were airborne 24/7 to respond to any first strike.

This plane has an interesting history, being first designed to fight in WWII, but that ended before this plane ever took flight, and they added four jet engines to the six props -- yes, ten engines, nothing digital.

So, herein is a closer view along with a few more pics to enjoy and identify. I tried to make some a bit more challenging.

(Side note: wonder what they do about the tires? These are sitting for years on concrete, and it's not like they still make replacement tires for some of these planes today.)
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B-36 not a B-47. Above the C-47 a Waco CG-4A


And then B-36, B-58, XF-85, X-3
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You guys here know your airplanes!

So for fun, here are a few more pics I took that are a bit more challenging.
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1. F-4 Phantom...aka the Flying Brick
2. F-117 Stealth Fighter
3. XB-70 Valeryrie
4. hmmmmmm


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The F-4 was famously known to “depart flight” under some circumstances and the only recovery was to punch out. It’s the implementation of the old gag about “if you have enough power, you can fly a barn door”.

It’s a brute force set of two huge fuel sucking engines with just enough wings and tail feathers bolted on to them to aim it, sorta...
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Pretty impressive you folks can id some of the more obscure "weapons platforms" from such close views.

I had a feeling the last pic was going to be tough, as it is of a plane that never made it past prototype, despite being a great "weapons platform" by all accounts.

Apparently the F-4, a Navy plane, was most especially loved by McNamara who forced it upon the Air Force to save money. Or was it the other way around?

Anyway, here are some more easily identifiable "angles" of the above planes, except for the last one, I'll let you guys chew on the hint above, first.

(Bonus here if you can correctly ID the plane in the foreground of the last pic below.)
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And then B-36, B-58, XF-85, X-3
Doh! what was I thinking. All I had to do was look at the leading and trailing edges of the giant wing to figure out the B36.

Lemme look at some of these other photos...........

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So for fun, here are a few more pics I took that are a bit more challenging.
Agreed, F4, F117 (forward intake), Xb-70 (same intake area)

Last one, I think, was an early stealth drone. Tested but never produced. I think this is the one that had the "Art Bell" crowd buzzin' for a few years. Don't know the nomenclature.......and I refuse to use Google in this little adventure, boys.

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Pretty impressive you folks can id some of the more obscure "weapons platforms" from such close views.

I had a feeling the last pic was going to be tough, as it is of a plane that never made it past prototype, despite being a great "weapons platform" by all accounts.

Apparently the F-4, a Navy plane, was most especially loved by McNamara who forced it upon the Air Force to save money. Or was it the other way around?

Anyway, here are some more easily identifiable "angles" of the above planes, except for the last one, I'll let you guys chew on the hint above, first.

(Bonus here if you can correctly ID the plane in the foreground of the last pic below.)
Well we went through most of these...the F4 was dressed as Colonel Robin Olds aircraft..decorated Ace in the Vietnam era. The bonus pic looks like the SR-71 predecessor...YF-12...still no clue about the "weapons platform" pic.

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Pretty impressive you folks can id some of the more obscure "weapons platforms" from such close views.

I had a feeling the last pic was going to be tough, as it is of a plane that never made it past prototype, despite being a great "weapons platform" by all accounts.

Apparently the F-4, a Navy plane, was most especially loved by McNamara who forced it upon the Air Force to save money. Or was it the other way around?

Anyway, here are some more easily identifiable "angles" of the above planes, except for the last one, I'll let you guys chew on the hint above, first.

(Bonus here if you can correctly ID the plane in the foreground of the last pic below.)

First two are the F4 again.
Next two are the F117, starboard side aft, looking toward the cockpit, and, forward of the cockpit looking aft from the pitot tube.
Next is the XB70 again, starboard side looking up at about amidships toward the cockpit.
The last Pic is the SR71 again, port side aft just off the port wing. ( I assume that's what you meant by the "foreground" of the last pic).

How'd I do?

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Lemme see if I can get this post right-side-up. A softball for you guys.

I hate iPhone photos some days.
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