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Old 07-29-2012, 08:54 AM   #15
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My AS is not perfect, butI have seen only a few problems. Perhaps I am not micro examining mine to find slight imperfections just so I can blow them out of proportion on the forums. Really, some of you people must have led sheltered lives or had way too much money to spend as a child, but if you had you would not understand what that means. Flame away whiners, jim

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Old 07-29-2012, 09:23 AM   #16
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There seems to be a contingent here that accuses anyone of pointing out that Airstreams are not perfect are serial whiners. If I had a "sheltered life or way too much money", I'd buy another AS and hope that I got that "perfect" one. Jim, if you or others have not experienced some of the issues posted here and on other threads, how can you accuse those with these problems as to "blowing them out of proportion"?

A lot of people on the Airforums have serious reading comprehension problems. My point was simply that it was unfair to compare an older restored AS to a new unit for various reasons.

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Old 07-29-2012, 09:50 AM   #17
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After reading the list of things wrong in the subject trailer, I am thinking that it has been towed too fast over some very rough roads frequently. I have a Classic 1 year older and it has no fit problems, loose counter tops, etc. All of the hardware that has loosened (and subsequently been retightened) has been the result of rough roads. Only one very small leak and that was quickly located and resealed.

However, I am careful about how and where I tow it.
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Old 07-29-2012, 09:52 AM   #18
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Because I do not believe that some of these people have the problems on the scale they claim. I also do not believe some of the so called defects were caused by AS , but caused by owners either without a clue or with an ax to grind. You cannot believe everyone on the forums. Trust me. Jim
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:08 AM   #19
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It was not my intent to start a war about this. All I am saying is that I saw coorked cabinets, lots of broken plastic stuff, globs of glue, peeling tile, and lots of sloppyness. How can this be caused by a new owner or towing too fast?

This is not micro nit picking... simply an observation of poor fit and finish.
Additionally, I made the comment that I notice a much tighter fit, and things being straighter in my own 20 year older trailer! Looking into the depths of my own, I find no construction sweepings, rivet shafts, sawdust, or plumbing remnants.

I have had brand new AS products; many of the same problems I have seen in them, but not to the degree that I saw on a strangers almost brand new AS.
Le'ts just wrap this up.... my regrets for airing my personal opinion!
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Old 07-29-2012, 10:25 AM   #20
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And I get tired of the whining and exaggeration. One could also get tired of hearing about all the perfect Airstreams made before 2000, which I guess is how this thread got started. Unfortunately.

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Old 07-29-2012, 10:47 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by AtomicNo13 View Post
.Lets just wrap this up.... my regrets for airing my personal opinion!
Jim and Doug - why gang up on posts with complaints, making them feel bad that they ever said anything at all? What level of complaining is acceptable?

I'll air my opinion without regret, having owned vintage and a well-cared-for 2007: The trailers are stunning to look at. Their construction (debris and all) will outlast most other trailers (unless you got a 2002-2006 22' CCD.) They tow very, very nicely. Fit and finish doesn't match the reputation. Some of the components could be spec'ed better, as there are better quality water pumps/converters/tires/etc out there. Not sure you should have to watch where or how you tow it, or should have to rub it down with various elixirs to avoid corrosion.

In other words: I really like my trailer, but as a consumer product, it ain't perfect. I don't expect perfection, but there is plenty of low-lying fruit here that could be improved.

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Old 07-29-2012, 10:50 AM   #22
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I'll put together some photos of when I did my lino replacement... the lino guaranteed to -40 that split like the Grand Canyon at -30... there are some things open to judgement, but too many things that are just ridiculous... My hot water leading to my bathroom for example... the Pex curves down about 3 inches before a 90 elbow going to the tap - creating a fantastic place for water to sit and freeze when you drain the lines. Not only sloppy work, but there was so much force on the Pex because they couldn't bother to cut a couple inches off one section and do it right?

Problems are problems, and if someone airs their complaints here the 'scale' of the problem is what is subjective, not the problem itself. I repaired some loose cabinet doors as well... had to use epoxy to reglue some of the plastic drop-ins that had wiggled loose. Not a big deal for me - but for some people even removing a cabinet door is beyond their handi-skills.

RV ownership of any brand is not for the clueless... and repair/maintenance of an Airstream can add unique challenges...
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:13 AM   #23
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I think the bottom line here is: if you pay over a hundred grand there should be no problems. If it was me I would take it to JC get my money back and the gas money for getting there. It's not right that they do this on a top end product. I would expect it out of a $20,000 sob.

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Old 07-29-2012, 12:15 PM   #24
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Thanks for that tip. I'm a little confused as to how I actually follow the drain lines.

Originally Posted by Protagonist View Post
How about the dye test? Take a gallon or two of water, and add some sort of water-soluble dye. Rather than filling the shower pan and then pulling the plug, pour it down the drain using a funnel so you don't get any of the dye-laden water on your shower pan (just in case it doesn't wash off as well as you thought it would). Follow the drain lines and see if you detect any of the color on the outside of the drain lines.

Whatever dye you use needs to be able to wash out with soap and water, of course.

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