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Old 06-23-2014, 09:47 AM   #29
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The aluminum lid would last. The sheet metal lid will rust and have to be replaced. Which version brings more revenue into the pockets of Thor Industries?

We have a dead light fixture after nine nights of camping and all the ceiling light fixture lenses are already cracking. During the modifications to our trailer, I swapped out a defective power outlet. They are so cheap they make the least expensive outlet at a discount store look like a military spec outlet.

I plan to replace all the high use outlets this year with better quality units.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:10 AM   #31
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Remember the Betty Furness add for Westinghouse? "The quality goes in before the name goes on. You can be sure if it is Westinghouse."

Since Westinghouse is a major polluter and infamous now for creating "Super Fund" clean up sites nation wide from the PCBs they installed into their equipment (along with General Electric), the add copy might be modified to read "If it says Westinghouse, your health is at risk".

Airstream fortunately does not claim to be trouble free nor the best in the market place. They are riding on a folk lore belief that their trailers are greater than sliced bread.

Fortunately, the basic design of the shell can last if maintained, just like the Douglas DC-3 aircraft built in the 1930s are still flying in parts of the world. Thankfully, they did not put wood floors in the airplanes......

So, as a retired person, my new career is taking care of the Airstream and that appears to be a full time activity.

Thanks to all those on the forum that post their solutions to problems for others of us to implement in similar issues. We all do not individually have to recreate the wheel.

At least the big bonus is meeting the great folks that own these projects of love when on the road.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:42 AM   #32
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I was overtly mocked last summer by a man pulling a newish Bambi with his green Honda Pilot last summer as I was leaving on my first trip out.... By yelling across the fuel island.....

I hadn't done anything to the outside of the trailer at this point so it was a little ugly..... I knew it was ugly outside but I didn't much care that I. Was pulling an ugly trailer. My guess is that this guy wouldn't be caught dead pulling an ugly trailer. My trailer was quite comfortable inside, that is what mattered to me.

I wonder if this guy is a forum member?

My observation is that in general, that the new AS people and the old AS people are cut from different cloth. If one is better than the other, well this depends on the individual not their choice in the vintage of trailers.

Anyway IMO a big factor in whether the AS made today will live to get old will be impeded by the needless complexity that will be difficult to maintain. I.e. electric toilets, computer controlled appliances, etc. Does your oven really need a computer?
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:46 AM   #33
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In all fairness, PCBs were not identified as harmful until they had been used for decades.

Likewise many things known (or believed to be) hazardous today.
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:15 AM   #34
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I was overtly mocked last summer by a man pulling a newish Bambi with his green Honda Pilot last summer as I was leaving on my first trip out.... By yelling across the fuel island.....

I hadn't done anything to the outside of the trailer at this point so it was a little ugly..... I knew it was ugly outside but I didn't much care that I. Was pulling an ugly trailer. My guess is that this guy wouldn't be caught dead pulling an ugly trailer. My trailer was quite comfortable inside, that is what mattered to me.

I wonder if this guy is a forum member?

My observation is that in general, that the new AS people and the old AS people are cut from different cloth. If one is better than the other, well this depends on the individual not their choice in the vintage of trailers.

Anyway IMO a big factor in whether the AS made today will live to get old will be impeded by the needless complexity that will be difficult to maintain. I.e. electric toilets, computer controlled appliances, etc. Does your oven really need a computer?
The new Airstream owner (I won't refer to him as an Airstreamer) was suffering from that disease endemic to our culture - status. He had lost sight of the point that Airstreams are for camping and that you were fellow travelers. Your "ugly" (doubt it was actually ugly) trailer was reality imposing on his fantasy. Status is a drug and you were harshing his mellow.

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Old 06-24-2014, 09:53 AM   #35
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Need to say this - it's entirely possible that in this thread's initial conversation, the newer-trailer owner didn't mean to insult anyone by referring to it as an "upgrade." (The guy yelling across the fuel island sounds like a different case.)

There are advantages to newer trailers. There are also functional advantages to trailers like Poppy's.

I've happily owned vintage. But I learned from owning it that I prefer newer stuff, because I don't have the skills/patience/money to bring vintage to just-out-of-showroom condition. (The need for shiny and near-perfect stuff was a product from my dad and his funeral director occupation, forcing meticulousness on everything he did.)

I guess the moral of my post is: there's so much crankiness and division in the world. And I know that it's fun to promote the vintage vs. new debate. But who needs it? Enjoy your own ride and all of that.

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Old 06-24-2014, 10:08 AM   #36
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I was overtly mocked last summer by a man pulling a newish Bambi with his green Honda Pilot last summer as I was leaving on my first trip out.... By yelling across the fuel island.....

I hadn't done anything to the outside of the trailer at this point so it was a little ugly..... I knew it was ugly outside but I didn't much care that I. Was pulling an ugly trailer. My guess is that this guy wouldn't be caught dead pulling an ugly trailer. My trailer was quite comfortable inside, that is what mattered to me.

I wonder if this guy is a forum member?

My observation is that in general, that the new AS people and the old AS people are cut from different cloth. If one is better than the other, well this depends on the individual not their choice in the vintage of trailers.

Anyway IMO a big factor in whether the AS made today will live to get old will be impeded by the needless complexity that will be difficult to maintain. I.e. electric toilets, computer controlled appliances, etc. Does your oven really need a computer?
I don't think your observation is necessarily true, although there are snobs in every kind of ownership endeavor , be it classic cars or boats or whatever. I guess I would still be classified as a newer owner???? I bought near new as I am not retired, and time is short for any kind of reno or resto. The unit I have will be my go to travel AS for the remainder of my days as I have a solid beginning to work with and maintain. I would love to resto a smaller AS after retirement...more as a hobby and weekend camper. However, while now working with a financial planner in a serious manner, I wonder if my dream of a rural home with shop and cash for my planned hobbies will become a reality.
What I gots is probably what I gots. So when does my unit not become
looked upon by the "vintage crowd" as a "newer" unit and I as a snob? And what will have changed....me you your perception?
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Rich...

I hung the snob label on the guy not because he owned a newer AS but because he denigrated the owner of an older one. I don't for a minute think most owners of newer Airstreams are snobs. In fact, one of my favorite things about the Airstream community and this forum, and RVing generally, is the culture of egalitarianism.

I sure run into a lot of the snob stuff in one of my other worlds though - the Porsche community.

I'll say it again... I *like* new Airstreams, I like 'em a lot. I bought an older one primarily to stay within a budget of $20K as it was my first RV of any kind. I have since discovered that I'm content with my old trailer and therefore don't consider a new one to be an "upgrade", at least for me personally. Which doesn't surprise me because I like 50 year old Porsches better than new ones.

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Technically an upgrade is anything that has been approved upon. So newer is an upgrade.

Weather you feel it's an "upgrade" or not is invalid to the premise. Is the upgrade really worth it, and is it truly an improvement over the original? Now there is a debatable topic!

Upgrade as defined: "raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components: the cost of upgrading each workstation is around $300 | (as adj. upgraded) : upgraded computers."
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Rich...

I hung the snob label on the guy not because he owned a newer AS but because he denigrated the owner of an older one. I don't for a minute think most owners of newer Airstreams are snobs. In fact, one of my favorite things about the Airstream community and this forum, and RVing generally, is the culture of egalitarianism.

I sure run into a lot of the snob stuff in one of my other worlds though - the Porsche community.

I'll say it again... I *like* new Airstreams, I like 'em a lot. I bought an older one primarily to stay within a budget of $20K as it was my first RV of any kind. I have since discovered that I'm content with my old trailer and therefore don't consider a new one to be an "upgrade", at least for me personally. Which doesn't surprise me because I like 50 year old Porsches better than new ones.

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Oh, I get it, Poppy. My comments are more generic than specific. There are folks here who border on "looking down" on new unit owners. As a wrench and loving the pride that generates out of a finished product of my own hands' doing, I understand how and why that is. But pride-fullness is pride-fullness regardless from where it comes. It's all about perspective and appreciation for others. I get embarrassed when an owner of a high dollar unit stops by to chat while ignoring other campers. I also get embarrassed when campers don't chat when I feel that they think I am somehow above them because I have an AS. Maybe that's partly my problem, but I've experienced it and sometimes by comments made by both categories of neighbors.

All of it bothers me....so I get another beer and put it all away.
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In all fairness to the guy in the Pilot, my trailer was pretty ugly.....

(Is "pretty ugly" an oxymoron? )
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Snobs can own old or new Airstreams. I bought new because I had jack squat for skills. I'm learning. And by the time it's "vintage", I might know enough to play with it in my free time (may it be :-) ). It's certainly possible that some vintage owners who know their way around tools, rivets and plumbing can be "snobby" about their technical prowess and the fact that the only real Airstreams were made by Wally.

At the end of the day - who cares? Get what you like for the reasons you like it. If you can swing it, try to appreciate where other folks are coming from and be happy for them. Then just go camping. Life is just too short!

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