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Old 07-15-2014, 06:15 PM   #267
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GM, Ford, and Chrysler automatics were VERY smooth and pretty darn reliable pre computer era. Just a fact


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Heated steering wheels are a joke, give me a brand new 1965 Galaxie 500 or other older cars of the 50's or 60"s. With todays lubricants and a waxoyl treatment or gavalume treated body before the factory paint it would be a great car.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:31 PM   #268
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In 65 that Galaxy would have sold at about a dollar a pound and would have weighed a lot less than a new Camaro......
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:25 PM   #269
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Wow, this thread is getting interesting. First, on my new Airstream, I have installed my "homemade" step covers, the huge bubble level at the front of the coach, two towel hooks, broom retainer, and will be moving the bedroom TV up about 24 inches…so I an see it when lying in bed.

I do a lot of "engineering" on my projects, and spend a lot of time making as certain as I can be that the job is done correctly. Rarely do i have anything done on my trailers which I can do myself.

As to "fly by wire" throttle control on cars…. horrid in the early days, huge lag, and today they have in my Subaru a slow throttle close issue which i think they have programmed in to avoid a sudden change in the drive train.

But, as noted, all the stability systems, braking assist, etc., would not be possible with a mechanical throttle. I currently have two cars with manual transmissions, one truck with an automatic.

Maybe satellite radio is progress, but a lot of the new is not in many cases.
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:08 AM   #270
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I've read through most of the first couple pages of this thread (until it was side-tracked a few times) and I must say that several of the original posts OT have slightly turned me off purchasing my first AS. My wife and I are busy professionals (I'm 40 and my wife is 39). We have been camping in various ways for years and have an 8yo son. We recently went from a tent to a hybrid trailer and discovered quickly that we wanted something different. After looking at the common white box models we decided to look at AS (which I have admired for years) and we both fell in love. Our intention is to purchase new....not because it was "shiny" but because we don't have time to take on a project and wish to enjoy it immediately. We also prefer the updated interiors and amenities. My impression was that the entire community would be open-armed regardless of model and it would be a unique informal club (vintage and late model alike) that I would be joining. However, the mentality (from many vintage owners) that new purchasers are all snobby elitist that don't know what a crescent wrench is....is disappointing. My wife and I are busy and have made a good life for ourselves through hard work and schooling. I'm in the I.T. industry but regularly wrench my own car, do all my own properties landscaping and perform various "handyman" tasks to keep my home running. I'm sure I'lll be plenty capable of performing the same tasks on my trailer....computer, electronic, mechanically or otherwise. My point is that not all of the young purchasers of new AS are useless snobs with a cheque book. Being able to afford an AS isn't an automatic predetermination of a persons skills/values/attitude. I'll be the first to approach ANYONE with ANY unique or interesting trailer (or even tent setup) to start up a conversation and chat about our shared love of camping. It's about the camping after all ...the places you go, the experiences and the time with your family. Just because someone can afford a slightly nicer/newer atmosphere to sleep in doesn't change those facts.
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Old 07-16-2014, 08:36 AM   #271
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I wonder what lawyers are going to do when these systems fail to prevent accidents?


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Old 07-16-2014, 08:42 AM   #272
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They are going to get rich. Remember the fiasco with Toyota a couple of years ago? With so called run away cars.
Some blame was put on floor mats. But could it have been faulty communications to the computer? Cause by some electrical or radio interference. Who knows!
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Old 07-16-2014, 09:54 AM   #273
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I've read through most of the first couple pages of this thread (until it was side-tracked a few times) and I must say that several of the original posts OT have slightly turned me off purchasing my first AS. My wife and I are busy professionals (I'm 40 and my wife is 39). We have been camping in various ways for years and have an 8yo son. We recently went from a tent to a hybrid trailer and discovered quickly that we wanted something different. After looking at the common white box models we decided to look at AS (which I have admired for years) and we both fell in love. Our intention is to purchase new....not because it was "shiny" but because we don't have time to take on a project and wish to enjoy it immediately. We also prefer the updated interiors and amenities. My impression was that the entire community would be open-armed regardless of model and it would be a unique informal club (vintage and late model alike) that I would be joining. However, the mentality (from many vintage owners) that new purchasers are all snobby elitist that don't know what a crescent wrench is....is disappointing. My wife and I are busy and have made a good life for ourselves through hard work and schooling. I'm in the I.T. industry but regularly wrench my own car, do all my own properties landscaping and perform various "handyman" tasks to keep my home running. I'm sure I'lll be plenty capable of performing the same tasks on my trailer....computer, electronic, mechanically or otherwise. My point is that not all of the young purchasers of new AS are useless snobs with a cheque book. Being able to afford an AS isn't an automatic predetermination of a persons skills/values/attitude. I'll be the first to approach ANYONE with ANY unique or interesting trailer (or even tent setup) to start up a conversation and chat about our shared love of camping. It's about the camping after all ...the places you go, the experiences and the time with your family. Just because someone can afford a slightly nicer/newer atmosphere to sleep in doesn't change those facts.
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Well said!
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I'm with Larry - VERY WELL SAID -

We purchased an (almost new) unit and in no way does that make me some type of useless snob. I'm more than capable of looking after my unit in house.

All this means is I have the ability (after a lifetime of work) to prioritize some funds toward something I want. If people think that makes me elitist - it only shows how shallow some peoples thought process can be.
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Older is sometimes not better.....

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Old 07-16-2014, 10:56 AM   #275
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Newer is Not Necessarily an Upgrade

The Toyota thing.....

I always wondered why the drivers of these run away cars didn't just reach down and throw the car in neutral or simply turn the key off......

Technology can and often does make things safer, but it also tends to lull drivers to be less attentive and less attuned to the machine they are operating.

Put another way, all of this crash avoidance stuff will make people feel safer while texting and driving.......

I cant say that even the "old" technology of antilock brakes has made driving safer for me as I have never had to lock down my brakes prior to antilock, and I have had two instances where I NEEDED my antilock brakes to lock but I was left helpless as far as braking.


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Old 07-16-2014, 12:37 PM   #276
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I haven't checked. But I don't think you can turn the key off if not in neutral or park.
I will check it on my Tundra and see what happens.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:42 PM   #277
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I've read through most of the first couple pages of this thread (until it was side-tracked a few times) and I must say that several of the original posts OT have slightly turned me off purchasing my first AS. My wife and I are busy professionals (I'm 40 and my wife is 39). We have been camping in various ways for years and have an 8yo son. We recently went from a tent to a hybrid trailer and discovered quickly that we wanted something different. After looking at the common white box models we decided to look at AS (which I have admired for years) and we both fell in love. Our intention is to purchase new....not because it was "shiny" but because we don't have time to take on a project and wish to enjoy it immediately. We also prefer the updated interiors and amenities. My impression was that the entire community would be open-armed regardless of model and it would be a unique informal club (vintage and late model alike) that I would be joining. However, the mentality (from many vintage owners) that new purchasers are all snobby elitist that don't know what a crescent wrench is....is disappointing. My wife and I are busy and have made a good life for ourselves through hard work and schooling. I'm in the I.T. industry but regularly wrench my own car, do all my own properties landscaping and perform various "handyman" tasks to keep my home running. I'm sure I'lll be plenty capable of performing the same tasks on my trailer....computer, electronic, mechanically or otherwise. My point is that not all of the young purchasers of new AS are useless snobs with a cheque book. Being able to afford an AS isn't an automatic predetermination of a persons skills/values/attitude. I'll be the first to approach ANYONE with ANY unique or interesting trailer (or even tent setup) to start up a conversation and chat about our shared love of camping. It's about the camping after all ...the places you go, the experiences and the time with your family. Just because someone can afford a slightly nicer/newer atmosphere to sleep in doesn't change those facts.
I admittedly haven't kept up with this thread, but I assure you that's not how I feel. I could have afforded to purchase new (I'm also 40 and in the IT field) and chose to go vintage because I actually WANTED the project.

I've had many FANTASTIC conversations with people with new Airstreams and a handful of jerks with elitist attitudes.

I guess my point is you're going to have "bad apples" in any situation, don't let them ruin it for you. Owning an AS is an automatic conversation starter wherever you park and you'll be part of a really cool community with thousands of great people willing to help and a few idiots.

I'll take those odds all day.
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A holes come in all segments and income brackets.

This just is.

Some people like old, some like new, each category has its advantages and disadvantages.

Some people like to work on their own stuff and some people don't.

Some folks take care with their purchases and others just use them like tools.

The best advise I could give people buying new is to research and get a trailer with options that are actually reliable and add tangible value.


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Old 07-16-2014, 01:15 PM   #279
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The Toyota thing.....

I always wondered why the drivers of these run away cars didn't just reach down and throw the car in neutral or simply turn the key off......

Technology can and often does make things safer, but it also tends to lull drivers to be less attentive and less attuned to the machine they are operating.

Put another way, all of this crash avoidance stuff will make people feel safer while texting and driving.......

I cant say that even the "old" technology of antilock brakes has made driving safer for me as I have never had to lock down my brakes prior to antilock, and I have had two instances where I NEEDED my antilock brakes to lock but I was left helpless as far as braking.


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The ignition switch on some new cars are not the same as the older ones, it is wired to the computer not the batt and solenoid. You are at the mercy of the computer. If an electro magnetic pulse takes out the computer there is no way to get a newer car working, its worthless.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:47 PM   #280
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As a matter of safety there should ALWAYS be a fail safe manner of turning off an engine, period...

Seems like common sense to me, but I guess what do I know?
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