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Old 07-15-2014, 11:35 AM   #253
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"One of the best examples I can present of this is the electric throttle.

Why replace a few dollars worth of mechanical hardware with hundreds or thousands of dollars of equipment that is not as reliable as the old?"

Not a good example. Traction control, adaptive cruise with collision mitigation, stability control. sway control, trailer sway control, as well as smoothing out and regulating transmission shifts all rely on computer control of throttle independent of driver foot action or position. Fly by wire is necessary. And all this happens in millisecond increments during some of the activity.
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:53 AM   #254
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However, the mentality (from many vintage owners) that new purchasers are all snobby elitist that don't know what a crescent wrench is....is disappointing.
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Hi - I think you have to quantify "many" in this quote. There will be a handful of jerks who own vintage or new Airstreams, or SOBs, or tents, etc.

We recently attended a "Glamping" rally with the New England unit of the WBCCI. We all did a tour of everyone's trailer (including a guest's Shasta which she just bought a week before and refinished herself - she read about the rally somewhere and saw that guests were welcome so she dove right in and was a blast!! ). Whether vintage or 2014, we all had a great time and saw the beauty in one another's prized possessions.

I bought new so by the time it's vintage, I'll have learned all the stuff I need to repair and restore it :-)

My experience with 95% of AS owners has been terrific and if a vintage owner thinks I'm a jerk, what the hell do I care? :-)

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Old 07-15-2014, 12:37 PM   #255
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Don't take forum discussions too serious.

Fact is, the most opinionated are the most vocal, present company included.

"everyone likes their own brand now don't they ".

95% of A/S owners will never write a single post here.

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Old 07-15-2014, 12:40 PM   #256
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Funny thing is that automatic transmissions shifted just fine before computer controls, and I have never owned a vehicle with traction control.

I know, how archaic!!!

"Need "? I don't think so.


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Old 07-15-2014, 01:21 PM   #257
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PosiTraction was not computer controlled either nor were limited slip differentials....
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Old 07-15-2014, 01:23 PM   #258
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PosiTraction was not computer controlled either nor were limited slip differentials....
Agreed. and ours aren't. (except performance cars)
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Old 07-15-2014, 01:25 PM   #259
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Funny thing is that automatic transmissions shifted just fine before computer controls, and I have never owned a vehicle with traction control.

I know, how archaic!!!

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No they didn't! Much harsher than late model ones...and much less precise in shift timing to throttle demand, etc.. THANK GOD they don't build them like they used to!
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Old 07-15-2014, 01:32 PM   #260
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Lol,,, sorry, even the transmission in my 55 Lincoln shifted well, smooth, and adapted well to changing situations.

Frankly, imo, the computer controlled shifts can be all over the place,,,, I HATE IT when the transmission in my 08 downshifts when going up a hill and I don't want it to, and hate it even more when I have to back way, way off the gas to get it to shift back.

There are lots of computer controlled transmissions that don't shift smooth at all. Chrysler (also MB used in the 340 series) transmissions come to my mind first in this regard.


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Old 07-15-2014, 01:34 PM   #261
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GM, Ford, and Chrysler automatics were VERY smooth and pretty darn reliable pre computer era. Just a fact


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Old 07-15-2014, 04:29 PM   #262
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"My point is that not all of the young purchasers of new AS are useless snobs with a cheque book."

I suspect there are some owners that are quite wealthy....wealthy enough lets say to take little responsibility with maintenance...and can afford even expensive repairs.

That is not me at all, but I have budgeted emergency expenditures for big repairs once out of the warranty period and being that I am not all that much of a "handy man" at all....

But we could extend a request to not belittle those who are less able to repair things who can afford to pay folks to do the repairs?

My dad was an aircraft mechanic and auto mechanic most of his life, but because my parents seperated early in my life, those skills were not handed to me...instead I am a pharmacology geek and if push comes to shuv, ill just have to pay someone for various sorts of repairs...

I am not ashamed of that...I try and do alot of stuff on my own...but for people who have alot of money to pay others to do the work....I would not look down on them either - live it up

So far I have met many airstream owners of all sorts of backgrounds...so far all of them have seemed very friendly!

We are loving it...airstreaming that is...almost 1 year in and having a blast...dealing with a few quality issues here and there...I take it in stride...wish they had better quality in some areas, but I knew about these things with previous research and I am making it my own....
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Old 07-15-2014, 04:37 PM   #263
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Working on things is not something that every person wants to do, it is about that simple.

It is good that people are different. If we were all the same it would be pretty boring.


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Old 07-15-2014, 05:45 PM   #264
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I don't want to work on or renovate anything, but I'm glad some folks do.
That's why 70% of all Airstreams built are still on the road.


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I'm frankly getting a little bored with my AS. I've pretty well modded everything I want to, upgraded most everything I want to, and improved all the inadequacies I can think of. Guess I need a vintage unit now???
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Old 07-15-2014, 05:59 PM   #266
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I'm frankly getting a little bored with my AS. I've pretty well modded everything I want to, upgraded most everything I want to, and improved all the inadequacies I can think of. Guess I need a vintage unit now???
Or swing through CT and help me install my dream internal bike racks :-)
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