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Old 06-26-2014, 10:04 AM   #169
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If I say that a mark of truly improving technology is simplicity in use, reliability, and an increase in real value dollar for dollar, is the technology being employed in RV's on a par with a smartphone?

Why did the Blackberry fall while the iPhone rose?




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First, the company failed to recognize that the iPhone could hurt it. Then it overlooked the threat of low-cost competitors in Asia. Finally, and most recently, executives threw the company’s little remaining energy into a new line of high-end smartphones that failed to resonate with consumers, having arrived far too late with too little to offer.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:07 AM   #170
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All of that could be accomplished with a thermostat that doesn't need a data wire to the a/c unit, a conventional wired thermostat with bluetooth.

The thermostats being used now are linked with the a/c unit for two way data communication.

These seem to be problematic, failing and leaving the owner with no A/c.

Why not a conventional style thermostat with bluetooth or something to make it remotely linkable?

If they went this route, in a pinch a person would at least be able to replace a broken thermostat at Home Depot and get the cooler working.
I do not disagree, but just wanted to point out that the stock thermostat in my '08 is dumb as a brick. Is there any other thermostat that makes you wait 3 minutes after turning on the AC before the AC actually kicks in?! Is there something I can buy at a big box that would replace it and still run the furnace when there's no shore power? (I actually gave up looking for that) I don't need a smartphone-driven bluetooth solar powered gadget, just something that does everything it needs to do, and does not make me wait for the AC.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:09 AM   #171
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Newer is Not Necessarily an Upgrade

My wife had a Blackberry once, her complaint is that it was too hard to use. She had no problem with learning and using an iPhone.

How do you suppose she would adapt to rebooting her thermostat or figuring out how to make a non flushing electric toilet flush?

Frustration maybe?

How will you react when you have to drop what you are doing to fix the emergency ?



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Old 06-26-2014, 10:20 AM   #172
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Although I like both, a B29 impresses me more than a F18.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:04 AM   #173
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When I learned of the electric macerator toilet it was on a bunkhouse thread just before I purchased...

I was told there by other owners it was done primarily in that case because of the placement of the holding tank in a spot such that stuff needed to go a bit uphill...thus requiring pushing the waste a bit to get there...confirm this for sure by flushing it...when going number two you must hold the button down for 3-5 seconds to make sure nothing comes back....I hope this mechanism will be reliable...it does made dumping nice for me....I can empty my black tank with my sewer solution without running the sewer solution water sprayer macerator thingie....simplifies my process a bit more....I may ask JC a bit more detail about this toilet and such when I go there next year.

My thermostat has been fine now...it does take like 1 minute to get to going sometimes. I was taught by the dealer how to reset the programming of it as if that gets screwy everthing can sorta freeze requring the reset...but in the past 3 trips its worked fine.

I enjoy the surround sound in the trailer for a movie and my AS is parked in my back yard and actually now serves as a guest house when family visit allowing it to be quite functional as such....

As far as newer stuff going all electric for awnings, beds, etc...that seems downright frightening....put out the awning then screws up...then...what??!! I would hope there is some form of manual mechanism to put it back in and out? but in another thread I read there was not, just not sure though. I have never used a manual crank tongue jack, but if my electric jack goes out, I will be cursing (although I believe I can manually operate my jack if I recall reading the manual about that bit).

My minivan was a prime example I suppose of how we as consumers are lead to accept things we probably should not want. Regular sliding doors are easy and I just knew I should want those....ahh but wifey wanted the DVD player included in the minivan (really we do enjoy this for some road trips with the kids) - and so the models with DVD in the package have the power doors....we have now like 5 more years of carmax coverage for bumper to bumper...but beyond that, I dont wanna know how much motors and repairs for such doors would be?!?!

Overall, in the case of the auto doors on the van....it is quite a nice convenience and is very handy making loading and unloading kids a bit, but will I think so when it breaks one day (if it does? not sure how reliable these are honestly and if I can manually open/close in such a case)?

I think there are at least shades of truth in so many ways that some upgrades are not...some definately are...and some are very subjective?
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:09 AM   #174
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I suppose there may be a market for alot of electric assisted items?...I met a fella while camping in blairsville, GA at vogel state park a couple weeks ago in his motorhome that could barely bend over to fiddle with the fire he was struggling to get going (because the park sold him apparently unseasoned wood..crap would not burn)...but for those who are capable of operating the zipdee awning, it seems a bit scary to consider the problems that could come as a result...
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:35 AM   #175
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Just my humble opinion, but with an Airstream, newer is almost never better. We've had a 29' 1992 Excella Classic and now a 1987 Excella 32'. Both of them were used for cross country trips and at least half time. Both were excellent, reliable, comfy and everything works. The only new thing that would tempt me would be a 30' ultra loaded Classic - now that would be an upgrade!
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The delay on my thermostat is six seconds. I bought it off the shelf at home Depot. It is powered by the transformer in the air conditioner.

Stock my trailer was equipped with two thermostats, one for the A/C and one for the heater, it is still essentially the same.

There would be a power issue that would need to be overcome if it was desired to use only a single thermostat, but this would be easy enough to rectify.

The delay built into thermostats is to prevent the compressor from coming on too soon after it has cycled off to allow for pressures to normalize so that the compressor does not have to struggle to start against high pressure. Your lag time seems extreme to me.




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Old 06-26-2014, 11:37 AM   #177
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By the way, we're camped now in Dulcinea, the 32', with 4 grandchildren & quite comfy! (Camped on Petit Jean, tho, close to home, so parents can be summoned if we tire of these rascally rascals!
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:59 AM   #178
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Can a summon babysitter option be on my AS - that would be a nice upgrade
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:13 PM   #179
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The delay on my thermostat is six seconds. I bought it off the shelf at home Depot. It is powered by the transformer in the air conditioner.

Stock my trailer was equipped with two thermostats, one for the A/C and one for the heater, it is still essentially the same.

There would be a power issue that would need to be overcome if it was desired to use only a single thermostat, but this would be easy enough to rectify.

The delay built into thermostats is to prevent the compressor from coming on too soon after it has cycled off to allow for pressures to normalize so that the compressor does not have to struggle to start against high pressure. Your lag time seems extreme to me.
Thanks J. You've got me thinking. I am warming up to the idea of a second thermostat, assuming that I can figure out the wiring. That, or I'll devise some sort of bypass so that I can force the AC to start immediately when I really need it to.

I read that the 3 minute delay on our "comfort control center" is intended to protect the compressor. I get the idea. The delay we see is extreme, but here it does not really matter if it's 3 minutes, 3 seconds, or 3 years. The thermostat is powered by the house DC system, so unless the battery switch is on "store" (and not a chance that it will be), the thermostat has no idea if we lose shore power, or when it comes back on.
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:25 PM   #180
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The delay on my thermostat is six seconds. I bought it off the shelf at home Depot. It is powered by the transformer in the air conditioner.

Stock my trailer was equipped with two thermostats, one for the A/C and one for the heater, it is still essentially the same.

There would be a power issue that would need to be overcome if it was desired to use only a single thermostat, but this would be easy enough to rectify.

The delay built into thermostats is to prevent the compressor from coming on too soon after it has cycled off to allow for pressures to normalize so that the compressor does not have to struggle to start against high pressure. Your lag time seems extreme to me.




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It is designed for two minutes before coming on the first time and two minutes between compressor cycles. Too long is your opinion, not the manufacturer of the A/C unit. at least CCC #1 is two minutes.
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:46 PM   #181
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There's just no way with today's labor costs you could build the same as you could 20 years ago.
I think if you consider the wage/product price ratio of 20 years ago, to today's, there should be no reason the product couldn't be built at least as well, or better than 20 years ago.
Technology has improved, materials (for the most part) have improved, the only thing that hasn't improved is the attitude of people. Instead of having a good work ethic, many have developed a "me first, to hell with you" attitude.
That's a pretty sad attitude, but today, it goes from the very top to the very bottom levels of companies, government (especially government)....
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That's a pretty sad attitude, but today, it goes from the very top to the very bottom levels of companies, government (especially government)....
Oi! Some Airstream owners are Government employees as well, you know! Can we say that the attitude goes from very top to very bottom, but skips the very middle?
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