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Old 06-26-2014, 12:29 AM   #141
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I would like for someone to tell me why a computer thermostat that talks to an air conditioner is better than a thermostat that simply tells the air conditioner what to do. Same with an electric toilet.
Most of the time a computerized thermostat is used when a consumer wants to have smart programable and/or remote control of the device. That way when no one is home a smart thermostat would learn your usage patterns and turn down the heat when you are gone, turn up the heat when you are home, turn down the heat when you go to bed and turn up the heat when you wake.

Or if you are away from home and you want to access your thermostat remotely to turn up the heat when a freeze warning is in effect for your area, you can connect via the internet. I know Apple is working on a home automation system where all you would need to do is say "Goodnight Siri", and your phone would turn off all your lights, lock all your doors, turn down the heat, turn off any TVs, check to make sure your appliances are off, etc.

Why you would need one in an RV is debatable? Most likely it is just a luxury option so that you could adjust the thermostat from your phone without getting out of bed at night or getting up in the middle of a movie. Probably overkill in an RV.

I can't think of any reason for an electric toilet unless it used the electricity to assist with maceration or power flush to provide better flow, who knows. Again probably overkill in an RV.
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Old 06-26-2014, 02:13 AM   #142
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All of that could be accomplished with a thermostat that doesn't need a data wire to the a/c unit, a conventional wired thermostat with bluetooth.

The thermostats being used now are linked with the a/c unit for two way data communication.

These seem to be problematic, failing and leaving the owner with no A/c.

Why not a conventional style thermostat with bluetooth or something to make it remotely linkable?

If they went this route, in a pinch a person would at least be able to replace a broken thermostat at Home Depot and get the cooler working.

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In my "in box" this morning was an email from Whirlpool. They are proud to announce that their Smart Load Washer and Dryer will work with the Nest thermostat... Shades of Ray Bradbury There Will Come Soft Rains...

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There are many, many technology "solutions" out there looking for problems that don't exist. In my systems integration days the way many of the high tech solutions were sold was to use the FUD sales approach. First create fear, uncertainty and doubt, then present your technology solution. I believe this marketing approach was developed and perfected by IBM.

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There are many, many technology "solutions" out there looking for problems that don't exist. In my systems integration days the way many of the high tech solutions were sold was to use the FUD sales approach. First create fear, uncertainty and doubt, then present your technology solution. I believe this marketing approach was developed and perfected by IBM.

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Drug companies are convincing us we're sick and then selling us the medicine that will make us comfortable while introducing a ton of side effects that will each require their own medicine. At the same time, they'll patent their formulas so that nobody could ever legally find a cure because they'd stand to lose billions in annual revenue.
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fixed it for you.
Good job, and the sad part is we are letting them get away with it.
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Drug companies are convincing us we're sick and then selling us the cure.
And their commercials spend 90% of the time telling us how their drugs will kill us.
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And their commercials spend 90% of the time telling us how their drugs will kill us.
Some form of reverse psychology?
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Generally people kill people.
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