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Old 09-21-2016, 10:51 AM   #43
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You know, you can actually check out a new AS trailer before you buy it. I suspect you're rolling the dice to an extent whether you buy new or used. There's nothing wrong with buying new if that's your preference. We did, and we are happy we did.
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:51 AM   #44
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If I buy something new that costs that much money, I expect it to be perfect. The warranty should be for things that break, not things that were not done correctly from the factory.
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Larry, you hit the nail on the head!

When your product cost exponentially more than the competition "Other brands have problems too" is no excuse for poor quality control.
Airstreams really don't developed problems, they're born with them.
The only way I'd buy a new Airstream is if they sold it as a kit.

To the author of this thread I'd recommend against buying a new Airstream, especially if it is your first camper and you aren't planning on full timing.

The depreciation hit from driving it off the lot will almost buy a used conventional camper.
You can buy a conventional camper AND build a roof to cover it for the price of an Airstream. Water intrusion is the enemy.

Most conventional campers use a one piece sheet of rubber for the roof and they can deteriorate and get damaged. Airstream uses several aluminum panels and a bunch of rivets. Lots of chances for problems and more expensive.
The difference is that when airstreams leak the only thing to rot is the floor. The ribs and interior skin are aluminum. This is why you see so many old airstreams still kicking and why they are worth the time and money to restore.

As for looks, it's not even close. Airstream wins. Towing quality also, they pull great.

Consider this analogy: Do you need a Mercedes or a Honda? Both will get you from point A to point B.
One will cost more to buy and own but you'll look better and be more comfortable in it.

Good luck and happy camping!
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:58 AM   #45
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We've recently upgraded to a 2017 25FB International from a 2014 23D International.

The 23D was flawless and served us well for 2 years. We've had the 25FB for 2 weeks and have spent a bunch of time in it. We haven't detected any mechanical flaws. However, I don't like the fit and finish of the aluminum angle iron around the cabinets and bathroom door window. That is not the kind of fix that I'd entrust to a dealer's staff.

It is very important that you try EVERYTHING before you take delivery and make sure that your post-sale walk-through check sheet is comprehensive. Take it slow and don't let the tech rush through the walk-through process. Dealers normally have their technicians go over the trailer, pre-sale but they occasionally miss things.

So no, I don't believe that Airstream quality has suffered during their growth period. They are hand made and people are people, so there are bound to be glitches here and there.
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Old 09-21-2016, 03:45 PM   #46
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I bought a new 22'Sport just 2 weeks ago, so I understand totally when you talk about the 'should I shouldn't I" self talk. Its a big decision. But I say go for it. With the comfort of having a 2 year warranty, you can take your time getting to know the trailer and it's workings, and feel confident that any issues will get dealt with. Ive already found a couple of small items, and the dealer is very chill about it. When I have a bit more of a list, they will come to my property and do the repairs then and there. Sweet! my insecurities are currently more to do with learning how to safely tow and maintain the trailer myself. I bought a towing vehicle last weekend, and just need a hitch, plus whatever anti-sway /weight distribution setup is needed (this will be the subject of a separate post shortly). Then I'll be pulling away for the first time onto the road. I say feel the fear, and do it anyway. Have an awesome journey.
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:14 PM   #47
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Hello marygb, welcome to the Airstream community. Your post is right on topic. It is a huge spending decision, and I'm sure there are days of buyer's remorse. It's nice you have a responsive dealer. But overall it will be much fun to get out and travel this beautiful country of ours.

These Forums will help you understand answers to your questions. There is a lot to learn. I learned it and you can too. Take a look at Airstream Life's newbie book referenced here. It is a place to start your learning process.

http://store.airstreamlife.com/colle...o-airstreaming

We all learn by doing. You will feel clumsy at first, but it will come. And remember most RV parks are filled with good people that are willing to help you out.

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Old 09-21-2016, 08:12 PM   #48
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I think it is great some people have had no or few problems. We had about 60 warranty issues during the two year period. The dealer damaged our trailer and so we had the rest of the warranty work done 1,400 miles away at the Airstream Service Cemter. They did an great job fixing things. I don't say this because I like complaining but because we had a trailer with poor workmanship, cheap parts and the dealer didn't do the dealer prep work Airstream pays them to do. As someone posted above, some people have problems, some don't. Quality control is very inconsistent.

There is a website that rates RV reliability and how much people like them. I wish I could remember the website's name, but it can be Goggled. Airstream comes out about average if you discount ratings on design. The design was created generations ago and Thor, which bought the company around 1980, not 2002, has not contributed anything substantial to it. Most Thor products get poor to average ratings. There are RV's that get better ratings than Airstream.

Unfortunately standards in the RV industry are much lower than those for cars and trucks.

We bought new because we didn't know anything and wanted something problem free. We should have taken more time and bought a recent model used one. By then many of the problems have been fixed and the price is a lot less. There's a lot more work to buying from an individual far away, but if you have the time and do the research, you'll save a lot.

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Old 09-22-2016, 07:27 PM   #49
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Everyone keeps on talking about the "Depreciation Hit". I have been searching for a used 16' or 22' Bambi for the last year and the cost analysis shows that a brand new one is the same price as a used one.

Cost of trailer: MAYBE I can get a couple thousand dollar savings. Most people on Airstream Classifieds is MORE expensive than a new one of the same year/model/accessories

New functionality: Solar connector at batteries (would have to figure it out). Aluminum cover for the propane tanks - would have to pay for it.

New Stuff: Back bumper, rock guards, auto jack (extra regardless of what I buy)

Financing: This is where the game comes in. A new trailer can be financed at a lower percentage rate than a used trailer. (love those tax right offs for the interest)

Trade in Allowance: Trade in numbers fluctuate by how much you are buying. Buying new, better trade in allowance

Stuff thrown in: Discount numbers on accessories fluctuate by what you are buying.

Relationship with your local dealership: Invaluable and when you buy a new one, that relationship goes up.

I was running the numbers on a used 2015, new 2016 or a brand new 2017 (16'). Surprisingly, my monthly payments were LOWER on the 2017 (note a 40% down on the vehicle and Excellent credit) and the exact same accessories.

Oh and I get a 2 year new warranty and I am buying, hopefully, for life.

Someone needs to explain to me this depreciation hit everyone is talking about.

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Old 09-22-2016, 07:42 PM   #50
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I have owned two Airstreams. If I could afford it I would have a new 26U parked in my driveway. The ones I have looked closely at were absolutely beautiful with outstanding fit and finish inside and out. That time may still come if I can ever sell my house.
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Old 09-22-2016, 07:56 PM   #51
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It seems like there are a few people on this forum that like to trash anything airstream has built since Thor purchased it. To those people I ask;

1) Please be specific. You throw around a lot of accusations, please expound on what you mean when you decry the current quality. It would be much more helpful.

2) Please get your dates straight. I've read anything from 2001 until 2013 as being approved (pre-Thor). It's confusing and makes me distrust your enlightenment.

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Old 09-22-2016, 08:06 PM   #52
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It seems like there are a few people on this forum that like to trash anything airstream has built since Thor purchased it. To those people I ask;

1) Please be specific. You throw around a lot of accusations, please expound on what you mean when you decry the current quality. It would be much more helpful.

2) Please get your dates straight. I've read anything from 2001 until 2013 as being approved (pre-Thor). It's confusing and makes me distrust your enlightenment.

Thank you,
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Keep in mind that this isn't a debate forum. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and your tone is a little confrontational. Rule #1, be friendly. Lucky we're not talking the Beatrice years...
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Old 09-22-2016, 08:25 PM   #53
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Everyone keeps on talking about the "Depreciation Hit". I have been searching for a used 16' or 22' Bambi for the last year and the cost analysis shows that a brand new one is the same price as a used one.



Cost of trailer: MAYBE I can get a couple thousand dollar savings. Most people on Airstream Classifieds is MORE expensive than a new one of the same year/model/accessories



New functionality: Solar connector at batteries (would have to figure it out). Aluminum cover for the propane tanks - would have to pay for it.



New Stuff: Back bumper, rock guards, auto jack (extra regardless of what I buy)



Financing: This is where the game comes in. A new trailer can be financed at a lower percentage rate than a used trailer. (love those tax right offs for the interest)



Trade in Allowance: Trade in numbers fluctuate by how much you are buying. Buying new, better trade in allowance



Stuff thrown in: Discount numbers on accessories fluctuate by what you are buying.



Relationship with your local dealership: Invaluable and when you buy a new one, that relationship goes up.



I was running the numbers on a used 2015, new 2016 or a brand new 2017 (16'). Surprisingly, my monthly payments were LOWER on the 2017 (note a 40% down on the vehicle and Excellent credit) and the exact same accessories.



Oh and I get a 2 year new warranty and I am buying, hopefully, for life.



Someone needs to explain to me this depreciation hit everyone is talking about.



Tara

That happens with cars, too.
New Avalon $28,000 and 0% financing-
1 year old Avalon $26,000 and 2.9% and smells like cigarettes...


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It seems like there are a few people on this forum that like to trash anything airstream has built since Thor purchased it. To those people I ask;

1) Please be specific. You throw around a lot of accusations, please expound on what you mean when you decry the current quality. It would be much more helpful.

2) Please get your dates straight. I've read anything from 2001 until 2013 as being approved (pre-Thor). It's confusing and makes me distrust your enlightenment.

Thank you,
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It's best to ignore them. Some folks do provide some examples, but others are just not happy with Airstream, so anything Airstream is bad. Take it for what it is- an Internet forum where people come share their opinions.

It's a shame because some people read these opinions and accept them as fact. Well, that's on them. You should be very careful of what you read on the internet. Some of it might not be true!
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Old 09-22-2016, 08:36 PM   #55
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I didn't mean it confrontationally, but I feel like if you make sweeping statements, you should at least hint at backing it up. This is from someone who has only owned Thor products. I really don't know to what you are referring. I'm willing to hear it.

Personally, I haven't found anything that comes close. Good luck to the OP!
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Old 09-22-2016, 09:29 PM   #56
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I didn't mean it confrontationally, but I feel like if you make sweeping statements, you should at least hint at backing it up. This is from someone who has only owned Thor products. I really don't know to what you are referring. I'm willing to hear it.

Personally, I haven't found anything that comes close. Good luck to the OP!
Interesting that you say that. I own a Class A - 2004 Damon Daybreak. This RV (SOB) is perfect and I have had zero issues since I bought it (it was used). I am now contemplating an Airstream (I am not a Class A sort of girl) and I have been though about 25 different ones trying to understand what will work best for me. They are beautiful and seem to be amazing quality. I have walked through multiple other SOB's and they feel 'cheap' (note my opinion only). Do I believe there is a LARGE possibility something will need to be repaired? Yes I do. Of course my 2016 Porsche also had multiple items that needed to be repaired on it (including multiple annoying rattles). I also had a couple of issues where the car was in for repair for over 2 weeks each (I had a bad manufacturing day). The car has been repaired and runs beautifully. 99% of Porsche owners have zero problems, I got one of the ones that had issues. BTW, I love my Porsche and would buy another one in a heartbeat.

I wonder how many of people's negative experiences is based more on "bad dealership" or on "bad attitude"?
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