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Old 11-25-2015, 11:34 AM   #99
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Lastly on the ease comments, what's difficult about hooking up a two hoses and a power cord?
Nothing is difficult about hooking up the hoses and power cord, unless you are old, have arthritis, a bad back, and can't bend over very far. And then there is the hitching up, for us old guys, sometimes that is difficult.

So, some of us decide to switch to a motorhome.

Enjoy your youth while you have it.
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Old 11-25-2015, 11:47 AM   #100
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A lot of interesting information for Airstream to harvest from this thread!

I spend most of my time within my current trailer sitting or laying down. Being six feet tall and 6 foot 4 inches wearing my "western hat"... the interior height is not that critical.

Airstream needs to define the purpose of this drawing on engineering paper. Major car manufacturers came out with some real dogs of autos in the 1960's and 1970's for cheaper options. Corvair. Vega. Gremlin. Yugo. Geo. Scamp. Rust buckets and the Corvair... a vacuum cleaner with wiper blades.

Some of these Airstream engineers and promoters need to get out and talk to people at RV Parks and Campgrounds Off the Grid. Having a booth set up at a RV and Boat Show... is like asking if gambling is a smart option to those leaning against a Craps Table in Las Vegas. The information will be far from reality.

Had a reliable, well priced Off the Grid set up trailer in the 16 to 20 foot range been available to me in 2006... I probably would be pestering others on a different Forum. Most in 2006 looked my mother's house furniture and curtains.

The depreciated value of a new Airstream after three years would easily buy a NEW other brand for my kind of camping. Most trailers sit for 10 months and get 60 days use a year. A smaller trailer will fit into a garage at home... although a three car garage today is someone's imagination unless you drive a riding lawn mower to work.

The interior should be for sitting and sleeping. A shower set up with a outside shower tent. The cooking done on a flip out. Sink on a flip out. Think "tent camping" going to a small trailer. A radio with an antenna that actually is adequate for AM in the remote areas. Small solar panel. Two small propane tanks for a grill and small furnace. Minimal fresh water tank as the tow vehicle can carry six gallons. Toilet... flip out tent with a "groover" for the bashful... or a shovel in the forest. Mini fridge for cooling... like my wife's SUV. You are not going to have a 40 gallon black water tank...

Tent campers are the future trailer buyers as they save some money for outdoor recreation.

There are so few potential customers in the under 35 or even 40 year olds, who find camping a terrible option to a hotel room. They want large mirrors, indoor flushing toilets, Air Conditioning, television, internet... and now you have a 18 foot drawing stretched out to 32 feet and counting. The "trailer" population has peaked and only downward is the direction left... and smaller... and cheaper less profitable trailers to a smaller market of buyers.

Go to Alaska and ask an Alaskan what they would want in a minimal equipped travel trailer. Probably make me out as living an opulent lifestyle sleeping in the back of a 1967 Bronco.

To include all of the necessary wants of most trailer owners... you hit a base price that is hard to break through to attract smaller budgets. Airstream had better know their "target market customer" before they find themselves selling them at a Flea Market.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:17 PM   #101
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I worry that thier foray into a 'value' line won't go so well... However, I am looking to upgrade my 16' Scamp here are the reasons why:

1. Too small (no shower except a wet bath)
2. Sleeping on my kitchen table can be a drag over time
3. Fit and finish is nice, but I have worked to a point to where I want a bit of luxury... No other TT matches AS materials and design.
4. All current makes/models of TT look as through they were designed in the 80's, except AS

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Agreed.

Committed as we are to small trailers, we've looked inside a lot of Casitas, Scamps, A-chalets, T@Bs, truck campers, micro-teardrops (aka rolling coffins,) the odd Boler, and found a used Trillium for our son/daughter-in-law. It doesn't take much to view the interiors of these units: just walk around the CG, and when you see the owners outside, admire their "small is beautiful" footprint, ask how much it weighs, and accept if they offer you a look-see.

Despite the lighter price and weight, these units tend to be very narrow inside and with limited head room. A tall or rotund couple might feel claustrophobic, and I don't know where you'd put the children. Or much camping gear. Some of the tables seat just 2 people. Some of them either have no bathroom, or put the kitchen off the back. Although the outdoor kitchen may seem ingenious, not everybody wants to cook a meal outside during pouring rain.

The 16' Bambi is spacious by comparison.

Casita does make a 5th wheel, but I've only seen 2 of them on the road.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:22 PM   #102
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Casita does make a 5th wheel, but I've only seen 2 of them on the road.
Casita does not make a fifth wheel, but Skamp does.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:33 PM   #103
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Our 16 Bambi is the largest trailer we have owned. We come from two small pop up truck campers and most recently, a 15 foot Trillium with no head of any kind. The Bambi still seems spacious. We seriously considered the smaller Oliver but the design did not work as well for us. If AS does a top quality molded fiberglass trailer I don't see the cost savings. Now if it is the same quality of a Scamp or Casita then maybe so. But why reinvent the wheel? Unless the new AS is something totally different they are going to have some tough competition in the smaller trailer market.
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Old 11-25-2015, 12:38 PM   #104
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Casita does make a 5th wheel, but I've only seen 2 of them on the road.
You might be thinking of Escape out of Chilliwack:
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Old 11-25-2015, 01:29 PM   #105
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Bigfoot RVs come in 25 foot models with 2 doors, double axles, queen beds, thermal pane windows, etc.: 25B25FB and 25B25RQ
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These can actually be used for winter camping. The interiors are very uninspiring. Otherwise, they are superior to most RVs on the market.

Airstream would have a tough go against these, so a similar trailer would need some Airstream pizzazz.

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Old 11-25-2015, 01:35 PM   #106
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Love all this speculation. Projected to hit the dealer floor middle of 2016. That is not long to wait.
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Old 11-25-2015, 01:41 PM   #107
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By the time the end of year discounted price was added to the modifications price on our 2015 23D International Serenity, it was close to the 2014 list price of our 2014 3' Classic.

I do not see where the $30,000 class will be built as JC is currently swamped and can not get product out without major QC issues now. Based upon their pricing model, I wonder if an empty shell of fiberglass would meet that price? Maybe wheels and axles might be thrown in?
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It could be that Airstream is trying the Scout again, which was a non-alum trailer. They showed it at the Louisville show, and did this survey of Airforum members. I even got a copy of Wanderlust for filling out the survey.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f138...cle-52070.html

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I walked in one at a local RV show and while it does try to mimic the Airstream they have a LONG way to go on that front. If you were taken blindfolded into a unit not knowing what it was I could see the difference between the Vantage and the Airstream or most other RV for that matter.

The interior is the AS is so much more pleasing looking at first glance.. not the same old RV like like in Vantage or most any other RV for that matter.

If the other RV manufacturers would at least try to copy what AS has done it was move the entire RV sector up a couple of notches and the changes would not be any more costly for the most part. Loose the cheesie Plaid or silly design material they love to use and the wood look stuff.. AS uses a lot of solid colors on walls and soft goods for a reason, they look better..

hard to beat an airstream in looks and feel for me.



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I'm not sure if anybody is familiar with the Keystone Vantage that was made for about one year (2012/13?), but it's a rounded (very Airstream-like) trailer with higher end features, with a gray fiberglass shell (although EDPM roof), and I think retailed in the $28K-$35K+ range. I owned the smallest one (19UL, about 23' overall and very similar to some Airstream floorplans), and there were two that were quite a bit larger; unfortunately nothing in between 23' and 30'+! From the first time I saw it I referred to it as a "wanna be" Airstream. BTW, even though a bit heavier than other trailers in its size range, it pulled really easily, better than my current more traditional trailer that is 800# lighter.
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that webpage at airstream is gone..

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It could be that Airstream is trying the Scout again, which was a non-alum trailer. They showed it at the Louisville show, and did this survey of Airforum members. I even got a copy of Wanderlust for filling out the survey.

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Fiberglass vs. Thermoformed plastic.

Many are thinking of fiberglass as a base material for a hypothetical new Airstream. Iíll add a twist to the equation.
Automakers are using more and more plastic body panels than ever.
The variety of plastic types can produce anything from flexible bumper covers, rigid trunk and hood lids to rock hard injection molded engineered plastic radiator core supports with fasteners embedded in the material.
A quick check on the Internets seems to indicate that plastics may be lighter and less costly than fiberglass in many applications. Maybe someone in the industry could weigh in on this.
I suspect there is a suitable thermoplastic, blended to a silver hue, dent resistant and is UV stable that could be used to construct an Airstream type shell.
Iím thinking something like a traditional steel frame, torsion axles with a composite floor as a base. The shell could be comprised of injection or vacuumed formed end caps and a thermoplastic sheet formed to whatever body length is needed. Ribs and supports could be secured inside the base shell with an appropriate epoxy or whatever current adhesive is used on this material.
Iíll leave the interior design thoughts to someone who is more right brained than me.

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Funny, this thread is already going in circles. Folks need to read the entire thread being commenting.
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