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Old 11-26-2015, 10:19 AM   #141
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I'm familiar with the Toyota story. The principal is used in construction and called the Lean Process. I would speculate Airstream has at least experimented with it.

We have a saying in construction that I think is applicable:

You have three choices:

1. Cheap
2. Fast
3. Quality

Pick two.

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Old 11-26-2015, 10:46 AM   #142
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Yeah but…….we do make SOME cool stuff

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I didn't want to put it in so many words . Uncle worked GM Lordstown, OH Plant till retirement. I've been told the stories.

I made mention in the random thoughts thread that I'm not a believer in the "Made in America = Better Everything" - My MacBook came from China and is a fine piece of engineering.
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I mean really….guitars, bluejeans, motorcycles, music, trailers, tractors, beer, and breast implants. What else is there ?

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Old 11-26-2015, 10:56 AM   #143
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I choose cheap and quality. I'm already waiting five months to get my new Airstream.

I don't think two of three is working...
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:51 PM   #144
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I don't think cheap and Airstream fit together.
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:53 PM   #145
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" will be unmistakably an Airstream....."


Aluminum is aluminum. Something that is truly "unmistakable."

Paint is paint. Painting it an ugly grey does not make it "unmistakably an Airstream."

Finish it like a colourful little canned ham.....and they might have a chance. Yellow. Turquoise. Pink or red......

But.... I agree with the poster who said the Scout will dulute the mystique. I will go further than that - they will dilute the prestige. I am proud to say my trailer is an Airstream because people know exactly what an Airstream trailer is.

Now we have an interloper....that puke grey thing.
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Old 11-26-2015, 01:11 PM   #146
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If they would build an Airstream shaped 25-27 foot fiberglass trailer well equipped for under 40k and lacking a wooden floor, I would be in the market. A nice heavy coat of silver gel coat would suit me just fine. They could call it something other than an Airstream for all I care.
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Old 11-26-2015, 03:17 PM   #147
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If they would build an Airstream shaped 25-27 foot fiberglass trailer well equipped for under 40k and lacking a wooden floor, I would be in the market. A nice heavy coat of silver gel coat would suit me just fine. They could call it something other than an Airstream for all I care.
You just described the Keystone Vantage. Unfortunetly Keystone pulled it from production without even giving it a chance to catch on or to fix any production/design issues.
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Old 11-26-2015, 03:44 PM   #148
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Yes, I looked at a Keystone Vantage and a Forest River Aviator....Neither are what I envision. I am wanting a fiberglass unit shaped just like an Airstream, not juat a rounded off on the edges box.
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Old 11-26-2015, 04:07 PM   #149
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We've looked at some of the Vantages for sale on online sales sites. The interior is definitely cheaper-looking than an Airstream.

Since everyone else has said what they would like to see, I'll add my thoughts, too.

I'd like to see an Airstream that is maybe a foot taller so that it has some "basement" storage space. Obviously that space won't be very tall, but would still be useful. I'd like to see larger tanks. I'd like to see a greater CCC. In other words, I'd like Airstream to make a coach that would compete with other coaches in the full-time market.

Most full-timers choose either a motor home or a fifth wheel. Very few choose a travel trailer. Why not? There aren't any high quality travel trailers out there that are large enough for full-time use. I'd love to have a late 90's 34' Airstream, but at least half of what we carry with us would have to just plain go away, and most of the rest would have to be carried in the pickup. Much of that would have to stay in the truck unless actually being used.
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Old 11-26-2015, 04:29 PM   #150
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I'm fascinated by this thread, and the idea of an alternative Airstream.

Six years after owning a T@B that we took cross-country, four years after selling a restored Argosy Minuet, and four years and 100+ camping nights with our current trailer, I'm thinking of a change. We still enjoy camping, but other activities vie for our time, although my wife insists on the value of getting away while avoiding tents like the plague.

I miss the T@B's size. I miss owning a car instead of our 18 mpg Durango. If there was an alternative to a Safari Condo Alto - something smartly designed with high quality materials, readily available in the US - this mid-40 DINK couple would be interested. This trailer isn't intended to be a full-timing trailer; if anything, our trip time is shrinking as we do different things. (The largest Oliver is too heavy and pricey to be the killer app.)

Then again, our Safari SE is pretty much stabilized in value, for probably the same amount as this new offering...and how much are used Interstates...

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Old 11-26-2015, 06:23 PM   #151
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Here's my alternative to a modern, heavy trailer...
2080 lbs, 18' and yes, aluminum shell.
You'll be able to see it at Alumapalooza 7.
Begin drooling now...

It will be interesting to see what the Mothership comes up with.
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Old 11-27-2015, 05:44 AM   #152
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FAN makes the best point.

An AS is an AS because it needs to look like it looks because it looks that way as a consequence of the engineering of what makes it an AS (monocoque, riveted, low center of gravity on the outside requires it to have its appearance.)

Anything that looks differently is not a monocoque, riveted, low center of gravity trailer. So it cannot BE an Airstream trailer.

A sliver painted canned ham retro modern trailer actually in my opinion makes a mockery of the Airstream. Why? Because it implies that the AS looks like it does, simply because it has always looked that way. Not because it looks that way because it has to. Because that is why it is an Airstream.

The engineering and design predicate the appearance.

Now if the material were not aluminum and it were not joined by rivets, how could it still BE an Airstream? A sticker on the side of the unit not so much. The color to look like aluminum, not so much. I would venture to say that the Argosy IS an Airstream, (to the general public) so that mean that the appearance being dictated by the construction is what makes it an AS.


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Old 11-27-2015, 06:38 AM   #153

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I do believe that Wally hisself would agree with you....

A recent quote from JC management during a media interview.

“The passion of...... snip ........ Following our founder Wally Byam’s Credo, ‘let’s not make changes, let’s make only improvements,’ .......snip.”

AF #1

"Sticks & stones can break your bones...and hail will dent your Airstream"

So when is this..."old enough to know better" supposed to kick in?
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