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Old 04-04-2012, 05:32 PM   #57
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Yeh, I wonder about which is the most popular 25?

This can go one forever. That's cool.

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Hi, well it's like this; Before we decided on buying an Airstream we were looking at class "C" motorhomes. What we were looking for was the smallest model with an island queen bed. Well this carried over to the Airstream; We wanted the smallest one with an island queen bed. And that turned out to be our Safari 25-B. At the time that we ordered/bought our trailer, the 25-SS [Six Sleeper] was the most popular. Not what we wanted. Later in the model year 2005 Airstream put the door at the wrong end and had to re-arrange the interior to match. People liked them, backwards Safari's and they sold well. A few years later Airstream did a blood transfusion on the Safari's and with little or no change at all it became a Flying Cloud. And finally it goes full circle and the new Flying Clouds now have a new floor plan called the 25-B. [sounds familiar] So Gene, the answer is the FB models were the most popular 25'ers, but since I have remodeled my living room, I have a one of a kind and like it that way.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:31 PM   #58
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Rednax, are you saying that size IS or ISN'T important?!
I'm speculating out loud. But I also think there is an optimum size as to what any trailer can do before penalties appear, larger or smaller. Humans are of a given size/weight range, TV's are of a given size/weight range. Climate/terrain is of a given range. Etc. Plenty of ways to fence off boundaries per design. Paved roads. Gasoline, not steam powered TV's (though BartS is getting closer), etc. There is only so much one can do on any of these. There are determinants right down to size of the appliances.

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As I see it there is relatively no penalty in moving up to about a 25' from a 16'. Not in the TV choice, not in fuel mileage. Not in campsites. The differences are too small in an overall sense.

There is the advantage of storage capacity (water & fuel, not just supplies) with a 25'. Being able to sleep more people, and carry supplies that cover more than one season. Plenty of incentive, IOW. And that it follows the TV better than a 16' is another. Etc.

If we posit that anything can tow a 16', then it is also that almost anything can tow a 25'. Not many folks will tow with a Mini Cooper, but we know it is done. As a sedan, minivan or SUV can all tow a 25' they can also tow the smaller. For a family, which is the more likely family vehicle? Even for many childless couples, the ones that can tow a 25' are a more likely choice in the first place. A Mini can get good mpg solo, but so can some iterations of the others. Not much advantage, then, to the one that is better in only 5k out of 15k-miles of annual use (vacations). TV size then, relatively, is not a determinant as "it" is already what they drive.

Aerodynamics is the crucial component of what can tow what. Weight is a distant second. A sophisticated suspension, low COG are the other factors.
If these trailers still were sized as they were in the 1970's we could move up a few feet. But those few feet are (my opinion) a psychological barrier to towing for many. Now its' really getting long. Without any real benefit (assuming we started with compare & contrast from the smallest size).

The mpg penalty on the 25' versus the 16' is small. Vanishingly small in $$ for a given range of TV's as the frontal area is close enough otherwise. Length and weight play their role, but these are close for their respective sizes given the likely TV.

There are many ways to cut the gasoline bill, but a smaller trailer loses utility in the more miles it travels as it is the penalized in having more stops for supplies, water, and fuel. An offset. The seasonal limitation is a big one. Probably the biggest. (Conversely, it is obviously the one most open to intelligent use in re lowest op budget. But that is more planning, I think, than most wish to do. And it is not the one to be trapped in for days of bad weather, IMO. Still . .. . )

This all has nothing to do with better or worse, one size chosen over another. Individual choices are what they are. But, it would be hard to maintain that operating a 25' is more expensive than a 16' due to these factors. Short of purchase price (and this can be all over the place, from free to full MSRP or custom) operating costs can be compared for any person or group which could use both trailers.

Those persons will use a set amount of propane, electricity and water.

The offset is in capacity. That makes the 25' so very attractive. Not the floorplan, hell, people can and do sleep just fine on air mattresses on the floor (a la my teen years). But one trailer will run out of fuel, storage and capacity before the other. That offsets some putative advantages to the smaller sized TT.

Conversely, when we get up to 28' and larger the economy of scale starts to fall off. Two air conditioners. A big propane burn to heat it. A big TV is more likely. Etc. Hard to fit into some campgrounds, much less travel some roads. Running costs are distinctly higher, and without commensurate increases in storage or fuel capacity to truly offset them.

It's a little like cars. Short of electric doodads the largest a car can be where size matters in "safety" is 4,000-lbs and 120" wheelbase. The curve flattens out after that. In fact, it starts to reverse when we hit trucks, etc. That size is about as good as it gets for utility.

There is an "optimum size", IOW, as the given range is small. And a 25' A/S is just about optimum as a travel trailer. It doesn't make it a better or worse choice, but it does make it an easy one when seen this way. (The exact length is not important, but the relation of size & ability is the central idea. One can argue about a foot longer or shorter, but not very much).

I would not be surprised to learn that a 25' was the default choice of those who eventually went larger or smaller once they more closely identified their own needs/wants. A starting point. Were I selling them it is how I would direct others. Start here. Bang for the buck is high. Go either up or down and things change in this relationship of size to utility.


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I dunno. I still think there is something liberating about a short TV and trailer combo that fits into a two-deep space.

And it always boils down to what you want. While I agree that a 25 is a really good balance (although few people will actually tow one with a sedan or minivan), last time my wife and I toured a new 25fb, she said " I don't want to go camping with my house."

Different strokes and all of that.

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Old 04-04-2012, 08:56 PM   #60
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I gotta get a good Wi-Fi system so I can stay connected when we are on the road. .
Ask Gene about that, he's our new expert on wifi.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:02 PM   #61
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Ask Gene about that, he's our new expert on wifi.
Hardly. I'm just posting as I go along figuring this out. Others are far more conversant in this if you can understand them.

I'm an expert like Zlee is an expert in backing. We're learning.

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Old 04-04-2012, 09:02 PM   #62
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Tom, You're right. Different strokes. But unless your house is 200sf I don't see a comparison.
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Gene, but Z is a bedding expert, she took the time to explain to me the fundamentals of what constituted a good foundation for mattress support. She also pointed me in a direction for products. So what is a good Wi-Fi set up?
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:08 PM   #64
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OK, check out this thread: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f451...ml#post1129667

It started quite a while ago, but won't die and has gotten a lot more lively as of late. This changes so fast, you can probably ignore the first year or two.

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The 16-19' Airstreams are the least intimidating for a new/first time trailer owner, and that is probably why they are in high demand in the used market. They possibly are the most popular used A/S models, judging by how quickly they seem to sell after listing. Once you've had some experience with TT's, or smaller Airstreams, you'll probably want something bigger, and would be comfortable towing it.
We've enjoyed our 19' Bambi for several years, bought used. If I have the opportunity to buy new next time, it will be a 25. Sometimes a little bit bigger is just right.
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Tom, You're right. Different strokes. But unless your house is 200sf I don't see a comparison.
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LOL. It's not. But going to the wide body 25' and longer trailers gives a definitely noticeable feeling of added space. For a couple who started with a T@B teardrop, it's a far way away from "just camping."

Not saying its rational, but not many things in life are.

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The trend in RV's is gigantic is best, so I suppose that goes for Airstreams too. Maybe the 34's with slides will return.
Now that is a beast, and the tongue weight is what, 1,200 lbs?
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