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Old 07-27-2016, 01:14 PM   #15
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Both Kim and I have noticed the same thing, John. I'm thinking (& hoping), it's just an acculturation process with folks learning about the Airstream community and how to interact - a whole lot of new folks coming into the fold.

After a few rally's/get-togethers where you meet folks you've "talked" to on the forums, anonymity fades real quick. The great thing about this community is the wealth of knowledge we all possess collectively from repairs and how-to tricks to best places to go, hidden gems.
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:32 PM   #16
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I'm noticing a lot of unkindness creeping in here - it seems to be increasing since I joined the forum three years ago. I don't know if it's a reflection of the general devolution of kindness and consideration in our culture as a whole or maybe folks are especially edgy right now with the political process underway in the U.S. or other current events. An unsettling environment right now.

I've just returned from two Oregon Unit Airstream rallies and there was consistent congeniality and good fellowship toward one another, a characteristic that I find to be consistent in the Airstream community outside of this forum. I can't count how many times my wife and I had drinks with new friends that we met just because we both had Airstreams.

Let's be as friendly to each other here as we are in person. Let's maintain a helpful environment that is even willing to answer questions that have been asked dozens of times before. Might be a good idea for the old-timers to just go ahead and skip threads they find boring. I imagine a lot of folks are reluctant to post because they're concerned that they will appear stupid. After all, we were all newbies once - I don't think anyone was born with innate knowledge of Airstreaming.

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I agree with you John, and perhaps I am guilty. I get peeved when folks throw wild opinions around that I know are untrue. As with any public forum, we should verify things presented as facts before accepting them as true.
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:44 PM   #17
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I agree with you John, and perhaps I am guilty. I get peeved when folks throw wild opinions around that I know are untrue. As with any public forum, we should verify things presented as facts before accepting them as true.
I agree Jacob, folks can get a bit didactic around here at times. I was trained as a biochemist and tend to be pretty empirical and I see a lot of opinion being tossed around as fact which can be irritating. So much is based on personal experience (I plead guilty) which is just anecdotal evidence. I think it's just fine to challenge folks - and there's no reason why it can't be done with diplomacy and tact. The thing I most remember my mother saying to me when she chided me was "That's unkind.".

I realize diplomacy and tact might be on back order in our culture but someone has to hold the fort and Airstreamers are great people. Why not us?

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Old 07-27-2016, 02:20 PM   #18
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Something we hung on our awning on our last camping trip. Thought it was appropriate. I too have noticed an occasional negative tone in the posts and responses lately. Thanks for the great reminder!
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Instead of aloha, I'll ask... How-aye-ye? (Hawaii?)

I hope I've never come across as mean or grumpy, but if I am, someone should tell me "that's unkind". Many people have offered solutions to my questions here and I've followed most of them. I thoroughly enjoy reading the posts, although I don't always agree with them. I always reread my post before putting it out there. I don't want to come across as pushy, crabby or boastful. This is a great forum and I hope it stays that way.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:56 PM   #20
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The forum is not an Airstream Disneyland.

We are just people with a particular brand of trailer. People cannot be legislated into behaving a certain way. That would be boring and unrealistic.

When I was a newbie, someone called me "anal" because I treated the FaN like a delicate piece of glass. I believe the mods removed that comment. I was not offended. Rather, it caused me to analyze my behaviour. I came to the conclusion that their assessment was correct.
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You know what? I think that many of the world's troubles can be at least tempered by showing respect and appreciation for whomever you encounter on a moment to moment basis. An active approach to kindness can work wonders. Why not start it here?
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Fan nobody is legislating behaviour just saying be nice.

There's has been a lot of snarkiness lately

And you are nice, and funny.
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There are a lot of differing personalities in the community here, and those personalities come out in any who post regularly.

We also individually sometimes have snarky moments, hitting submit while annoyed at something or someone.

If you come across a particularly ugly and out of line post, use the report button to bring it to the attention of the site team so that it can be looked at and perhaps be removed.

We try to monitor posts, but sometimes things get missed, so using the report button is helpful.

That said, I think there is a great deal of kindness, compassion and help available here, which most of us appreciate immensely.


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The forum is not an Airstream Disneyland. We are just people with a particular brand of trailer. People cannot be legislated into behaving a certain way. That would be boring and unrealistic.
Totally agree. As far as I'm concerned people are free to act in any way that they choose. I choose to encourage people to be nice to one another.

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Fan nobody is legislating behaviour just saying be nice.

There's has been a lot of snarkiness lately

And you are nice, and funny.
Hi Hittenstiehl, perhaps "legislate" was the wrong word. But when I read a jagged reply, I wonder how that person is really doing. The world is in the midst of much angst; perhaps that person is scared, isolated, lonely, and angry.

I appreciate the gist of the OP's message, and the forum's rules. But, a thread rap on the knuckles with a "be nice" admonition is somewhat dismissive and invalidating. The person who it is directed at may feel more isolated than ever. S/he could then direct those negative feelings into something which could really be destructive, individually and collectively. Would that really make the world a better place?

A behind-the-scenes "hey! how are you doing?" private message might work wonders.
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Totally agree. As far as I'm concerned people are free to act in any way that they choose. I choose to encourage people to be nice to one another.

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Yes. You cannot control how other people behave. You can only control your response to it.

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Not intending to offend anyone nor open a can of worms, but with this forum since Day One I have observed a distinction based on geography. The phrase "southern hospitality" doesn't come close to describing the extent of the cultural overprint that compels Texans to be polite. I am originally from the north and I've always been aware of this; just yesterday I was wondering how many times I say "thank you" (or "thank y'all") in the run of a day here... sometimes it's 20 times a day. People exercise politeness in my area to a fault (although they are just as quick to bite back if they are infringed upon).

When I see a snarky Air Forums comment, my eyes go straight to the ID tile to see where the poster is from. If it's a northern location, I often let it slide, concluding that people from certain areas have different ways of saying things that they themselves may not even realize appear snarky to others.
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