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Old 09-13-2015, 05:20 PM   #71
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Justifying is easy because the enjoyment return is so immense! We wasted way too many years not RVing and can't get that time back. Buy used if you can so the depreciation isn't so bad. It's a long term expense but will outlast most other brands. Like many have said, life is way too short. Get what you can afford and get on the road. Using the same logic to get a fishing boat soon. Thought it would be a tough sell to the wife, she said just get one big enough for the kids and grandkids...... Just do it.
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Old 09-13-2015, 11:56 PM   #72
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Justifying is easy because the enjoyment return is so immense! We wasted way too many years not RVing and can't get that time back. Buy used if you can so the depreciation isn't so bad. It's a long term expense but will outlast most other brands. Like many have said, life is way too short. Get what you can afford and get on the road. Using the same logic to get a fishing boat soon. Thought it would be a tough sell to the wife, she said just get one big enough for the kids and grandkids...... Just do it.

The wife nailed that one on the head! My favorite (and sometimes less favorite) -and without a doubt most memorable memories growing up all revolved around either our RV (from the cramped Aljo TT to Alfa FW to the Aviob FW, trips in our close friends built like a tank "70 something Diplomat (apparently it was the most expensive Class A in its day sold), or each disaster of a trip in the motor home from hell (as a kid of course that was said h-e-double hockey sticks lol) 1980 something Travel Queen moho...those are the memories I remember most and always reminisce with family. The Travel Queen is to blame for my Class A obsession! Why we borrowed it after the first trip I'll never know...long story short once we nearly froze to death and once survived off one extension cord ran through a window...but to this day I remember how much fun I had on the way there (especially the return). As a kid there's nothing like navigating your way up and down the moho on the highway with a father and his lead foot...so if you like your family I say cost justified...(for a Moho at least....I hated being stuck in the back seat of a '94 suburban or later worse crew cab Sierra for up to a whole day...)
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Old 09-14-2015, 10:58 AM   #73
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You've all been so thoughtful, encouraging and helpful. I just put a deposit down on a 2015 30' International Sig. Thanks for helping me get to this point.

CJ at Desert Autoplex in AZ has been great to work with so far. Will try to keep this updated.

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Old 09-14-2015, 11:00 AM   #74
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Justifying is easy because the enjoyment return is so immense! We wasted way too many years not RVing and can't get that time back. Buy used if you can so the depreciation isn't so bad. It's a long term expense but will outlast most other brands. Like many have said, life is way too short. Get what you can afford and get on the road. Using the same logic to get a fishing boat soon. Thought it would be a tough sell to the wife, she said just get one big enough for the kids and grandkids...... Just do it.
....The happiest days of boat ownership: The day you buy it, and the day you sell it. I'm looking at another happy day very soon. I will tell the wife first...
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Old 09-14-2015, 11:52 AM   #75
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Life is a never ending expense

I never liked to buy used as many of the used trailers or coaches have had dogs, or cats and are trashed inside.

the ducted air is a great advantage

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Old 09-14-2015, 01:28 PM   #76
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Old 09-14-2015, 02:31 PM   #77
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Life is a never ending expense

I never liked to buy used as many of the used trailers or coaches have had dogs, or cats and are trashed inside.

the ducted air is a great advantage

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True that. Ours was pretty darn clean and straight though. Guess the previous owner kept it like new because of how much they invested in it. The super nice ones are out there if you look hard enough. Money we saved over new is why I can shop for a 22 ft. center console bay fishing boat. At least that's the excuse I gave the wife. If we ain't camping we will be fishing, soon I hope.
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Old 09-14-2015, 04:25 PM   #78
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I justified it this way.

I owned 2 SOB trailers before the AS. I spent 35k on the 2 together in 10 years and another 5k in repairs. Both trailers leaked and and had lots of water damage. One I repaired myself and the other one I let the insurance handle. After selling them I recouped 13k. So in 10 years I lost 22k. I was in the midst of purchasing another SOB for around 33K when I stumbled onto the AS. More than likely the new SOB would also likely be worthless after 10 years so projecting that in 20 years I would have spent around 55k for the trailers and received most likely less than 18k total in return after selling. If I continue that projection for another 10 yrs for a total 30 year period the cost of the AS starts to make sense.

I purchased a used AS that I have had now for 4 years. Yes it has depreciated, but I am not forced to purchase another one because they leaked. I have had more enjoyment from the AS than the others and have no intentions of purchasing another one in my lifetime if I can avoid it. Had I purchased the AS first I would have saved a lot of aggravation from first 2. In total I would have been cheaper than 3 SOB trailers and if I would have considered a 4th it is definitely less expensive.

The AS still can command a high resale price compared with any SOB. So if you decide to get out at one point you will be further ahead.
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Old 09-15-2015, 02:43 AM   #79
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This thread is I interesting.... I will add, if one has ever owned a big Moho, the Airstream cost is not that much. Total costs, everything, Moho = $3.25 per mile, Dodge Crewcab, 4x4, 2500 Cummins diesel plus new 2015 Serenity 30 RB = $1.75 per mile. This is total cost, based on a five year, 50,000 mile usage, then selling. Of course the cost drops significantly for the AS if one goes 10 years, 100,000 miles, down to about $1.00 per mile ....by my calculations.

Does this "justify" the cost...? For me, after justifying the Moho, of course!


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Old 10-24-2015, 06:54 AM   #80
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We chose a new-to-us 1989 AS rig and had a few specific reasons, money was a factor but one that would not have affected buying new or used. We have owned a few RVs (mostly bought used) and have had experience with many RV systems repair/replacement as well as knowing when to let professionals take over. Not to be biased, but we had more issues with new units (Thor Industries) and dealers than with used rigs, lucky I guess. We looked at the new AS models at the Hershey, PA RV show this past Summer for post-retirement Texas "snowbird" application(me-retired/she-2 years till retired). Maybe we are too old (me-51/she-48) but the interiors were too "retro" and the aluminum inner liners reminded me of a combat aircraft w/o the waist guns, my wife said it reminded her of a sterile hospital room. We know they were display models, but they were also "Thor Industries" units and that also struck a nerve. We studied the Airforums site and shopped for a used model to refurbish as we had 2 years before our full-time/extended stay unit launch schedule would commence. Found one within an hour of travel from our home and while it was the first used one we visited physically, we (I) bought it. I don't recommend this tactic but we lucked out and while I checked it over thoroughly, still missed a spot of floor rot. However, after having an expert RV tech look the unit over, he said the unit appeared well maintained and the undercarriage was in great shape. I resealed the exterior and will later address the rotted floor piece (under street-side kitchen cabinet) which appeared to have resulted from an old leak as it was dry/crumbly. We paid $15k for the unit and are very happy with the purchase as we expected to replace the appliances and upgrade other systems from the start. We can also customize the unit to "our" tastes and in "our" timeframe even if we invested twice what we paid for the unit, we would be $$$ ahead over new. We don't think there is a perfect RV layout from the factory as you have to use them a bit to learn what you enjoy living with/without, every unit is different. With a decent used rig, you can use it while refitting it to your specific want/needs and if you find the lifestyle or trailer model/size doesn't work for you, change or upgrading doesn't impact as much financially as it would with a new unit. Airstreams are a timeless design and in our mind, one is only limited by their imagination. In a final note, my wife was diagnosed with cancer two days after we bought our unit and while highly treatable, it does bring forth the fact that life doesn't wait till your retirement portfolio is in order, get one now and enjoy life!!!
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Old 10-25-2015, 10:57 PM   #81
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Interesting comments. We're also contemplating a retirement lifestyle in a 28' AS, travelling California's west coast. Have looked at many TT, and still educating ourselves. Seems the quality of AS is unsurpassed, unless we missed something, and paying that extra in our opinion is worth it, if you can afford it of course.
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Old 10-26-2015, 01:49 AM   #82
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Relative to a box type trailer, the AS quality is superb, the overall aluminum semi- monocoque being the big factor. But if Honda made a similar unit, like they do airplanes, this would be "unsurpassed" quality, but the price would be about $200,000, unsurpassed as well.

What costs so much about the AS, is no doubt the primary construction, but the actual quality, when compared to many automobiles has some serious areas of concern.


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Old 10-26-2015, 03:17 AM   #83
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I agree with Tommie, you need to grade trailer quality on a curve. It's all relative, and none are trouble free.
Have you looked at DRV Mobile Suites?
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I have read all of the replies. They are as varied as we are. I am still working and probably a decade or more younger than the average AS owner. I could have afforded a new AS if I wanted payments. I choose to pay cash. I could have bought a new SOB for what I paid for a used AS. I simply wanted an Airstream. My other hobbies take up much of my time and money. I like Airstreaming, but am not over the top consumed with it. At this point in my life I am not able to take weeks long trips. I do take several week long trips thru the year, but they aren't with a RV. I couldn't justify a new AS sitting unused much of the year and depreciating. I could justify a used one sitting idle, though. I don't regret my AS decision.
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