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Old 11-12-2015, 01:46 PM   #85
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Well as someone once said, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

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Again, being intellectually dishonest. And worse, you're attempting to pretend that facts support you opinion. I'm stating opinions. I'm laying a framework to avoid fallacies.

You can't just throw that up there and claim facts. How about I throw up automobile deaths. What about context? I find the number of deaths related to drunk driving a valid context. Just as I find the number of homicides committed by criminals valid to context vs responsible gun owners.

Why don't I just use your facts and go, Illinois banned conceal carry and had strict gun laws but has over 1000+ deaths. How about I paint the numbers for Chicago's gun ban.

Context and framing are important. And understanding the numbers, they're meanings and how we can use them to achieve common sense rules and regulations is important.

Right now, you're just trying to claim moral high ground.

BTW, I can play this game too. The states with the highest firearm deaths, are also the most religious. The conclusion is obvious. The more religious, the more prone to violent crime. Secular states are clearly less violent.

I used FACTS to support my framing.
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It speaks to the difference in perception between actual risk and perceived risk. The north east, including the hated New Jersey, has much lower gun mortality rates than most other areas.

This is not anecdotal. Carrying guns in states that encourage carrying guns is riskier than not carrying guns in states that discourage carrying guns. Likewise countries. The U.S. has a gun death rate approximately 40 times that of the U.K.

You can conclude that the solution is to join in and also carry a gun if you like.
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In NJ if you are carrying a baseball bat you better be in possession of a ball and glove. You can't make this crap up. Sal
Is pepper spray or tasers ok to carry? A big dog works...trust me on this one.
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Talking to law enforcement officers in Il. all state glad to have ccp in Il. regardless what media hypes say, also every one I talked to stated so far no crime committed in Il. by person having legal ccp. that they are aware of, also no one used weapon for self def. against baddies.
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Agree with Mrjkq completely. Have permits, will travel. While some states don't recognize reciprocity, weapons are locked away or we avoid the state. Too much stuff going on, we need to be prepared, each in our own way.
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The U.S. has a gun death rate approximately 40 times that of the U.K.
64 million people (UK) vs 319 million (USA)

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...tion+of+the+UK

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...ion+of+the+USA

Hmm... I'm sure that has nothing to do with the 40 times higher incident rate, considering the population of the UK is 21% of the USA.

Just for comparison, California has 38 million residents, that's half of the UK

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...alifornia+2015

I think I rest my case on this type of honesty. I'm not arguing my point anymore.
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If a person removes the cities that have strict gun control laws from the statistics, America is one of the safest nations on earth.

Oh, in GB they now have knife control, stone control is on the agenda.


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Bold, it's the *rate*, not the raw numbers. The U.S. has a *rate* that's 40 times higher than the U.K. It's not referring to the population.
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If a person removes the cities that have strict gun control laws from the statistics, America is one of the safest nations on earth.

Oh, in GB they now have knife control, stone control is on the agenda.


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Yup, this is one of those things we don't want to admit. One of the ones that those on the left really don't' want to admit is the direct correlation between education and gun crime. Many European countries have excellent public schools that excel beyond ours.

And a recent influx of crimes in many of the European nations is being caused by poor, uneducated middle east immigrants.

But we can't discuss that, because it's offensive to suggest otherwise.

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Never ever will use my gun on someone unless the Zombie apocalypse happens!
I think the Zombie apocalypse has started.

We are considering a firearm purchase prior to starting our extended travels in a couple of years.

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I think I'll bow out of this because some can't keep from getting personal.
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See the "Life and Death of a Thread" thread for insight on this type of thread.

That aside, for me personally, well, I will defend my home no matter where it is parked.

Localities that wont allow this, well, I wont go.


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Agree with Mrjkq completely. Have permits, will travel. While some states don't recognize reciprocity, weapons are locked away or we avoid the state. Too much stuff going on, we need to be prepared, each in our own way.
Totally agree with you. Further more, I do not wish to support ($) the liberal states. I prefer to visit where I am welcomed.
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