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Old 11-12-2015, 12:39 PM   #71
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If you are limiting your travel to the US any gun that you legally own can be in your trailer or motor home if it is put away, e.g., in a closet.
This could not be further from the truth.
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:47 PM   #72
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And, the Canadian is right; don't even bother with them. Their laws are wrong headed, but they do enforce them and will confiscate any gun they find. There is a way to get pre-approval for your guns, but it is not very gun friendly.
In your opinion, maybe so, but they are our laws and have served us well for a while now. And you know what they say about opinions, right?
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Old 11-12-2015, 12:48 PM   #73
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A gun is just another useless piece of equipment that will needlessly complicate your life. Declare your freedom from the hysterical NRA's sales messages.

And that pesky oppressive Bill of Rights too!


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Old 11-12-2015, 01:08 PM   #75
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I bet the vast majority of the NJ politicians who support removing gun rights from citizens enjoy the safety of armed security.

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Old 11-12-2015, 01:08 PM   #76
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My hubby and I both carry on a very regular basis. Our camping is usually done in our home state. Most times I take our girls to the campground a few days earlier than hubby because of his work schedule. If my gun isn't on my person, it's very easily accessible in either the truck or camper. Our daughters have also been trained in proper firearms safety. Both are excellent shots although the older daughter really doesn't enjoy it. We have very frank discussions and frequent training on personal safety. One can never be too cautious with two beautiful daughters!
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In your opinion, maybe so, but they are our laws and have served us well for a while now. And you know what they say about opinions, right?
Yea it's not a fair comparison.

I find it a bit disingenuous when someone compares the US to some small European country with a population of 10 million where everyone lives next to each other and completely different cultural values.

People in cities seem to forget how vast our country is, and just how many places there aren't other people around. I can understand gun laws in places like DC and Chicago. But I don't think they should apply to rural middle of nowhere Wyoming where 1 sheriff is responsible for 1 million square acres
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We carried Doug's handguns into 47 of the lower 48 states....in their soft case, in a cabinet.

If one were to do something which prompted a police search of your vehicle, there could be a problem....but then, if they are searching your vehicle you are already in trouble.

Being law-abiding and never brandishing his weapon, over 46,000 miles in 6 1/2 years we didn't have a problem.

It's kind of like "what is in your cup" at a public campground that doesn't allow alcohol. Don't give them cause to ask, and you won't have a problem.

Common sense and discretion usually are sufficient.

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The operative word above is "usually". You can be as pure as the driven snow and the police may still want to search your car.

When I was a teenager (a long time ago, in Indianapolis, Indiana) kids in cars were routinely stopped by police for no reason (and no ticket issued) and their cars searched. Meanwhile in civics class we were being told that police had to have "probable cause" to search your car.

One time the Marion County Sheriff spoke at a school convocation and when he took questions I asked about that. With a perfectly straight face he said, "The policy of the Marion County Sheriff's Department is that minors in a car unaccompanied by adults are presumed to be up to no good." So there.

A few years ago, while returning from a caravan in the Canadian Rockies, our trailer was searched and my wife and I were separately interrogated by US Customs and Border Protection. Of course, they don't need a warrant since you are crossing the border. Evidently the appearance of a couple in their 70s accompanied by a Cocker Spaniel, a Schnauzer, and a Schnoodle constituted "reasonable articulatable suspicion". My wife's and my stories agreed with each other (and come to it, we had a whole caravan of Airstreamers who could have testified as to our itinerary), we had no contraband, and eventually were allowed to proceed.

All perfectly in order. But we decided we wouldn't be taking the Airstream to Canada again.
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Sixty four years old, been to 22 countries including Israel, India, Jordan, Syria, Mexico, Greece and to forty six states and to most Canadian provinces and never wanted or needed a gun for protection. I have included my daughters on most trips and they know how to be careful and smart! They can shoot, but will never carry for protection.

Have thousands of miles in my Airstream. I also have thousands of miles hiking in Appalachia, the Rockies and Himalayas. I have driven over a million miles for work and play! Go to Chicago, St Louis, New Orleans and Washington DC because I love those cities! Never ever carried my gun there!

Have been hunting and still will never take my gun on a trip that is not for hunting. I have a baseball bat and pepper spray in my tow vehicle. Once and if I ever need to use these I will not stop.

Never ever will use my gun on someone unless the Zombie apocalypse happens!


And on another side note, most tow vehicles are way larger than needed.
In NJ if you are carrying a baseball bat you better be in possession of a ball and glove. You can't make this crap up. Sal
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There are some things we do because the very remote consequences of NOT doing them are dire, indeed. We wear seatbelts even though the chances of being in an otherwise fatal accident are extremely remote. We put kids in car seats for the same reason. We carry protection for the same reason.

If you choose not to do any of these, it's your choice. Although the chances are remote, it could be Darwin's theory in action.

Streaminwild and Tedand PAm ask if anyone has ever been in a threatening situation. Yes. A number of years ago, we were overnighting in the Flying J in Manteca, California. The Manager of the truck stop came up to us in the restaurant and told us there had been a number of robbery and vandalism incidents lately and invited us to move our rig into the lighted parking area in front of the restaurant even though we took up 8 or 9 of his parking spaces. We were grateful and continue to use Flying J to this day - and check with the on-duty manager.

ScottinNJ makes a statement but does nothing to enlighten. Also a number of years ago I was told by a Sergeant in the Pasadena (Ca) Police that your trailer, and the living portion of your motor home, was considered a residence dwelling. On another occasion this was verified by a San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy. When we enter CA, we check to make sure any protection we might have is in the trailer. Does anyone else have a view or does ScottinNJ want to clarify? Hasn't the Supreme Court said you have a right to keep a gun in your residence, even in the Peoples Republic of NJ?

Finally, some feel racking the slide of a Remington 870, a Mossberg 500 or a Winchester Model 12 does an awful lot to deter someone bent on nothing good. It's a distinctively soothing sound if you hold the shotgun and terrifying if you don't.
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ScottinNJ makes a statement but does nothing to enlighten. Also a number of years ago I was told by a Sergeant in the Pasadena (Ca) Police that your trailer, and the living portion of your motor home, was considered a residence dwelling. On another occasion this was verified by a San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputy. When we enter CA, we check to make sure any protection we might have is in the trailer. Does anyone else have a view or does ScottinNJ want to clarify? Hasn't the Supreme Court said you have a right to keep a gun in your residence, even in the Peoples Republic of NJ?
Well, in NJ it is illegal to possess a handgun without a NJ permit. Pretty much period, end of story.

Sure you can rely on FOPA if you are just passing through, but I wouldn't. My guess is you will be arrested and have to plead that as an affirmative defense at trial. Far from the intended consequence of the law. And that's best case if you don't stop. As soon as you stop you are under NJ jurisdiction.

Look at New York City, DC, Chicago, Philly; they all have very restrictive laws.

And those hollow points you are carrying; better not have one in NJ.

What about magazine capacity? New York City, 5 rounds. Even Colorado restricts to 15 (same as NJ, btw). Several states on the eastern seaboard are limited to 10.
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Happy to hear that we are just "wrong headed"! I was wondering what was wrong with Canadians!
Im heading over to see whats new with Tow Vehicle rants now. Ta Ta.....
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If we are going to continue being civil, let's be intellectually honest and admit that numbers lie, and context and framing can paint different pictures.

Both views can actually be true and correct, here.
Well as someone once said, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."

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In NJ if you are carrying a baseball bat you better be in possession of a ball and glove. You can't make this crap up. Sal
Is pepper spray or tasers ok to carry? A big dog deters criminals...trust me on this one.
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