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Old 11-16-2015, 12:36 PM   #351
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When I am sure we are going to stay in the US for the entire trip I most times have a unloaded shotgun (and some shells) in the trailer or the truck. I also sometime shoot sporting clays so it is a O/U. A couple of times I have been in a Forest Service campground near the road and had a car load of folks stop in to drink and yell for a few hours. I would have liked to know that I had something available if it turned nasty. (Which it did not). I have not seen anything in this thread that makes me want to carry a handgun in either the truck or trailer. The tricky laws still deter me from that.

I fish Yellowstone and some other places and will (but not so far) carry bear spray. I have simply not fished several times in Alaska and Yellowstone because there were much bigger things than me on the section of stream I needed. And would have made the same decision if I had been armed or had bear spray. However I do think having a bear gun in Alaska is the prudent thing to do if you are going to spend a lot of time there in a trailer. We had a grizzly walking down the path to the laundry of our campground in Haines. I think our leader had to wash his shorts again when he almost bumped into it in the dark. If I went to Alaska in the trailer again (not likely at our age) I think I would just buy a long gun when I got there and try to sell it before I left. Wished I had done that the first time.

Why would you need room to "swing" a shotgun in a trailer?
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Old 11-16-2015, 12:52 PM   #352
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Sheepdog Concept

The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”

Until the wolf shows up.

Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. (Lt. Col. Dave Grossman)




The whole story below.


By Lt. Col Dave Grossman



Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident.” This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.



We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.



Then there are the wolves and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy. Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.



Then there are sheepdogs and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf. Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, “We intimidate those who intimidate others.”



If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath–a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.



We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids’ schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid’s school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep’s only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.



The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.



Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn’t tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.” Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

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The above is creditted to Lt Col David Grossman

I subscibe to this concept. So I prepare myself accoordingly. Where you choose to place yourself in this concept might dictate your idea of being "properly prepared"


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Old 11-16-2015, 01:20 PM   #355
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I guess that makes several of us sheepdogs. I like it.

I don't plan to paint myself white or go "baaa" either.


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I like it.
Me too. I'm a sheep dog.
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Thanks for that visual. Now I just see a bunch of Furries with guns.
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The above is credited to Lt Col David Grossman
Much as I appreciate LTC Grossman, I believe the sheepdog concept originated with the legendary COL Jeff Cooper (USMC, Ret'd, and now deceased).

Having bought all of LTC Grossman's books, and attended one of his seminars, I urge everyone interested in this subject to attend one if you can. You will find it very worthwhile.
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When younger, I was given 3 shells and told "bring back at least 3 ducks. No problem then... Now, as then, I only "hunt" what I hope to eat. If I gain some satisfaction from it, it's no problem.

For the past 20 years I have been able to "source" my food at a "grocery"... With exception of venison, mallard, teal, wood duck.... But, I have family who "supply" those if they have a "good season"....a good harvest... Just as someone might share the fruit of their fields, tomatoes, cucumbers, corn, peas... Etc. nothing goes to waste, unless it is meant to be discarded. Years ago, our family did "bouchere's".. Or "butchering" of pigs. They used "everything but the squeal"... And if you haven't been to a Cuban or Philipino Pig Roast, you don't know what you are missing!!!!!

So, yeah, I can hunt, but the government and "land owners" have narrowed the available hunting area, and "managed wildlife" to near extinction in many places. I will just leave that one there... It is cheaper to Airsream and buy my "wild caught" salmon ...
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Thanks for that visual. Now I just see a bunch of Furries with guns.
All pretending to be sheepdogs. When will the insanity end.

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Did anyone ever answer the OP's original question?

Weber.roger, first, you don't want to "get caught". Find out the laws of the state you are traveling to, or through, and abide by those laws. It's very easy to find on the interwebs... That darned Google knows everything. A weapon stored in your trailer will be different than one you can access... Study up on the differences. Find websites with facts on the laws, don't trust what a bunch of us wahoos on a trailer site to tell you about the law...

If you plan on carrying a pistol, which will work in a confined space much easier, and be easier to carry when you leave your camper, a concealed carry permit will help things tremendously. Florida, where I am from, has reciprocity with @ 40 other states. I can travel from FL to Michigan and not be illegal, with my gun tucked in my waistband, as long as I'm traveling I-75... There are quite a few websites that will list which states have reciprocal agreements with other states, and what qualifiers go along with them.

Be safe! Situational awareness will save your butt way before the gun ever needs to...

Dear Canada,

I love all of y'all! I'm so glad you are our next door neighbor. Come over for beer and steaks some time!

Sincerely, Red, actually having run and Coke with chili tonight, but you're still invited...
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I love all of y'all! I'm so glad you are our next door neighbor. Come over for beer and steaks some time!

Sincerely, Red, actually having run and Coke with chili tonight, but you're still invited...
@ Panama Red

Thanks for the invite and like wise, if you ever cross the border my hand is extended in peace and friendship (just remember to leave the heat with your border guys).

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