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Old 11-13-2015, 11:19 PM   #211
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So, we plan to head west in a few months, and the question of whether to acquire a gun has been on my mind. We don't care to have a weapon in our vehicle. My fear is being threatened in the middle of the night while boondocking and being defenseless. Perhaps a shotgun is the answer as it seems to avoid a lot of the problems that come with handguns.



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Depends on the size of your hand, perceived need, and amount you're willing to spend.
I have big hands so I like a Steyr GB or 44 Automag or Colt 1911. The Mrs prefers a Walther PPK or PPK/S. None of which I've ever had jam even with cheap dirty ammo, Barettas, Glocks, etc. no thanks. Revolvers a different critter ...
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Old 11-13-2015, 11:33 PM   #212
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Over 200 posts on a subject that can be very contentious,,, I am impressed. (For whatever that is worth, not much probably, but I had to say it anyway )

Congrats to everyone who posted here, while things may have gotten warm a few times, it never got so hot that the thread got shot down.

I really like it when people who disagree can have a real conversation that is not continuously disrespectful but at the same time not homogenized via disingenuous appeasement.

We need this friends, both in this forum and in our nation.

And hey, even if things do turn bad, we still made it to 200+!

That is progress in my view.

(Remember friends, resist the urge to make things personal, and try to turn the other cheek when it does get personal. Who knows? meaningful subject based conversation may be a result)

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For the record. I didn't post this…not my quote

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"What I find sad is the people who don't like guns and even brag that they've never owned or even shot one think they have some uncanny insight into the things and should be the arbiters on whether other others should have them."

I didn't write that
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"What I find sad is the people who don't like guns and even brag that they've never owned or even shot one think they have some uncanny insight into the things and should be the arbiters on whether other others should have them."

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Dear MandolinDave,
You are right, I was wrong. Please accept my most sincere apology. I don't know how I messed that one up so badly.
Again, I'm sorry.
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Interesting point handgun vs shotgun. Could even add rifle in there.

I always thought handgun first because it's less cumbersome inside a small trailer and as ray pointed out its an effective/easy companion for certain hikes.

Regarding the trailer part, anything that warrants a trigger pull will be so close that the spread of buck will be no bigger than a .45, 9mm, or whatever your choice is. So that argument doesn't play too well with me. I do like that the buck will overpenetrate less than a handgun round. That's one reason why a rifle is a poor choice in my estimation.

Legalities being what they are, maybe a shotgun is the way to go?

And yes, it's contemplations like this that should be capable of civil discussions such that this thread stays open. Thanks to all.
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Since the interior of a trailer is confining, I wonder if the "modified" shotguns with just a hand grip instead of a full stock and shorter barrel are still considered a shotgun or a pistol?

Could be an interesting point of discussion with border agents or LEOs.

That would be a more "usable" choice in a confined space.
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Have always travelled armed. Only time without was when in Canada or on a flying trip. Not paranoid about it. Just consider it a part of life now a days. Not worried about the laws so much because I figured if I had to use it then the fines or jail time would be the least of my worries. I made a promise to the dear wife a long time ago that I would do everything in my power to protect her and the family no matter where we are, home or on the road. I have never had to use it but its comforting to know its there. Of course the gear is locked and hidden away. Don't leave home with out it. Partial to Sig Sauer in a .40 S&W myself. Do your own thing and keep a low profile.
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Since the interior of a trailer is confining, I wonder if the "modified" shotguns with just a hand grip instead of a full stock and shorter barrel are still considered a shotgun or a pistol?

Could be an interesting point of discussion with border agents or LEOs.

That would be a more "usable" choice in a confined space.
Don't think you can even buy something like that in NJ. Modified stock is likely a no-no.
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Since the interior of a trailer is confining, I wonder if the "modified" shotguns with just a hand grip instead of a full stock and shorter barrel are still considered a shotgun or a pistol?

Could be an interesting point of discussion with border agents or LEOs.

That would be a more "usable" choice in a confined space.
The shortest shotgun barrel you can have in general is 18". To have shorter, you have to get a $200 tax stamp.

Pistol grips on shotguns? They may sound like a good idea and look cool in the movies. In reality, they make the gun hard to control.
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Just checked. Can't have...

iii. A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

(1) A folding or telescoping stock;

(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

(3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds; and/or

(4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
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Since the interior of a trailer is confining, I wonder if the "modified" shotguns with just a hand grip instead of a full stock and shorter barrel are still considered a shotgun or a pistol?

Could be an interesting point of discussion with border agents or LEOs.

That would be a more "usable" choice in a confined space.
The last time I checked anything "modified" under 18" in length is illegal just about anywhere though I remember seeing them in the trunk of a local LEO when I was a kid in the 50s. Sal
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One company does sell one called a Super Shorty. It is a 870 or 500 action built gun with a 14" barrel and pistol grip. Allegedly you don't need a $200 tax stamp because is was factory built that way and not a modified shotgun. I think it requires a $5 stamp...I still say it is a hard to control weapon.
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I recently saw a 410 double barrel about 12 inches with pistol grip that was stock. Now, where was that and who was the manufacturer? Would that be classified a pistol or a shotgun?
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