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Old 11-12-2015, 04:31 PM   #127
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I sure there's a joke there somewhere. If they outlaw chainsaws then only bears will have chainsaws.
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Old 11-12-2015, 04:31 PM   #128
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Well said!
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Old 11-12-2015, 04:42 PM   #129
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This is real shame. I concluded from your comments that you had a stronger mind.
You don't see how someone could construe that as a personal attack?
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Apparently you aren't familiar with the concept of intellectual honesty.
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No not you, it was the link to wnd.com.
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Daily Mail reported it as well. Better there?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers-claim.html
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It is ok to disagree, and even to ignore statements that may be or seem personal in nature. (In fact raising the ire of an opponent can be a formal or informal technique, one that I will not use though)

Too often today reasonable debate turns bad because we are prone to give in to our emotions over sound reason.

It is possible to disagree with a person and not hate them, concede the point, or to sacrifice beneficial dialogue.

Try overlooking personal statements and instead make a reasoned case. This is not only the right thing to do, it is how to win the point without looking like an ass.

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Well reread my posts in this thread. Not a problem for me.
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However, in conclusion on this subject I rest my case based on the B.S spewing out on the road. I started reading these threads thinking someone had found a gun laying on the road that I lost on I-40 between Needles and Tupelo. Thanks for the info.
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Bold, it's the *rate*, not the raw numbers. The U.S. has a *rate* that's 40 times higher than the U.K. It's not referring to the population.
Remove Chicago, St Louis and one or two others from that equation & the "rate" will change dramatically. Here in Fl open carry is now going through the process of becoming legal for CCW permit holders, I hope it passes & becomes law further putting the bad guys on notice that us good guys are prepared to shoot back. Visible weapons has a way of creating politeness.
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Too often today reasonable debate turns bad because we are prone to give in to our emotions over sound reason.

Bluntness is often perceived as incivility by people who live in environments that protect them from ideas.
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I like straight and "to the point" talk.

It is pretty much unappreciated these days. Too bad.

It might be that bluntness is considered "too masculine" in this enlightened era.


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Just leave them at home if you plan on coming to Canada.

traveling through the beautiful provinces of Alberta , British Columbia , and the Yukon was no problem at all with a 12 gauge pump , at least in 2013 . Has any thing changed ? We contacted the RCMP before hand , and they sent us a permit form which we filled out and presented it to the border crossing folks upon arrival . within 15 minutes we were on our way , and they didn't even want to look at the shotgun .
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Old 11-12-2015, 05:40 PM   #138
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Bluntness is often perceived as incivility by people who live in environments that protect them from ideas.

You and I have had some disagreements on this forum before Bold, in fact one or the other or both of us may have said something that sounded insulting to the other, who knows? But more importantly, who cares? lol

When did grown men become so sensitive?


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Old 11-12-2015, 05:47 PM   #139
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Bluntness is often perceived as incivility by people who live in environments that protect them from ideas.

Well there's that fly honey/vinegar thing to keep in mind... 😳

One could also say that bluntness is often perceived as incivility by people who value people above ideas.

If that feels like a "slam" in your direction - it isn't.

I'm saying that there are ways to share ideas that communicate the sharer has enough EQ to care about how the listener feels about the idea. And there are ways to share ideas that communicate the sharer possesses low EQ (thus the perception of incivility) and cares more about being right than building relationships. I'm hoping this reply demonstrates both. Everyone's mileage will vary in terms of preference.
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On the first part - any forum is full of opinions to wade through ��

There are several gun threads - most get shut down for devolution.

On the second part - I have a theory but no proof to back it up (so this too is a BS opinion) - I gather from the forum rules that the notion that we should consider participation here a privilege and not a (US Constitutional) right has something to do with potential liability. If you allow topics that suggest carrying guns across state lines is your God-given right and someone takes that advice and gets arrested in a state that disagrees, it's possible that person could cite the advice given in these moderated forums and since the discussion wasn't bound correctly, there's some blame to go around.

Whether that speculation is accurate or not, the owners of the forum are very clear that this is not a soapbox on an American street corner where one has "free speech" - this is like a private home we're invited in to and we all agree to play by the homeowner's rules or leave.

I'm ok with that.

And in these threads - there are usually several good links with meaningful information along with the BS...I'm ok with that too.
Good post. Obviously, it is probably not best to disclose one's practice regarding firearms on a public forum and I can appreciate the Forum Owners not wanting to discuss the topic for the reason you mention. No problem.

To be clear, I don't care much for guns, I think it is pathetic they are needed in certain cases, I have no interested in owning one for any other reason then traveling to remote unfamiliar places with my family. We have already had some strange encounters.

Unless there are specific statistics that show clear evidence I am safer with out a gun then with, in a remote Forest Service dispersed area, late at night, with poachers in the area, then I have no interest in the studies and opinions.

My frustration is that its a real hard topic to get good, real info on. The purpose of a forum is for people to share info they can't get otherwise, thru web sites, books, etc. My friends who own fire arms don't RV, and the vise versa. The resources available don't give me insight to what people are doing in certain situations, aka "The Skinny" they are just textbook resources if you get my drift.

Having said that, I have no issues with folks debating the topic.
What I have learn so far is don't stop for gas in NY and stay out of NJ.
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