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Old 05-12-2012, 02:27 PM   #141
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:15 PM   #142
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Action, other stats are different.

Wikipedia article ( Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) says: "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths."

Gunshot injuries, thus, were more than 75,000.

I'm sure other stats are available and Google away for more info. I have to go meet friends, so I'm can't look up more now.

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The stats I quoted came from the CDC for 2009 regarding fatal gunshots. A paid entity that collects data. Your 75,000 includes non-fatal injuries. Less than half of that number is fatal. So your data while older and from a source that I would not rely on heavily, back ups my post that over 1/2 of the fatal injuries are self inflicted and if you were to go behind the homicide number you will find the majority of those were inflicted by people that knew each other. (Be careful of whom you hang around with!)

We could compare non-fatal fire arms data to other types of non-fire arms injuries like knife fights or falls down the stairs or a slap in the face or an abrasion. I do not believe that would be relevant because in all cases that person survived.

My conclusion would be it has never been the gun and it is always the person. Bad behavior has been a with us since the begining. So how does a nation regulate the person? This country (USA) thought fire arms was such a big deal that they made reference to fire arms in the initial admendments to it's constitution. In second position no less only behind one's rights to assemble form a religion and speech! I believe it was not put there by accident.

So getting back to the question over 100 posts ago, what about a gun in an Airstream? I guess I am good with it. Because I believe the chances are higher for me to get fatally injured towing an Airstream than for me to be fatally injured from a gun that was carried in an Airstream.

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If you like them set to music you might like this little video.

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The stats I quoted came from the CDC for 2009 regarding fatal gunshots. A paid entity that collects data. Your 75,000 includes non-fatal injuries. Less than half of that number is fatal. So your data while older and from a source that I would not rely on heavily, back ups my post that over 1/2 of the fatal injuries are self inflicted and if you were to go behind the homicide number you will find the majority of those were inflicted by people that knew each other. (Be careful of whom you hang around with!)

My conclusion would be it has never been the gun and it is always the person. Bad behavior has been a with us since the begining.
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The stats I quoted for the most part came from the CDC also. The CDC is a gov't agency, not a "paid entity", but they do collect data. I pulled those stats from Wikipedia because it also included injuries and I think they are important too. The citations for each statistic are in the link.

I think it is the person with a gun. Without a gun, an aggressor has fewer options to injure or kill someone.

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I am reminded of the 2006 satirical sci-fi comedy "Idiocracy", starring Luke Wilson. It depicts what society will look like 500 years from now if these trends continue (Wikipedia provides a description)...sometimes I think we're well on our way...
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There are many uses for a weapon aside from harming another human being. I can think of a few times I wish I had my firearm with me and there was no people around. In fact, the best time to carry a weapon might be when no one is around, in other words, when you are all alone or think you are all alone.
My wife and teenage daughter are home alone a lot, they both have access to and know how to use a fire arm.
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Wikepedia is often filled with non facts and lies. Be carefull. Sod bust, I agree , I read opinions from some on these forums that scare me and have used that info to decide not to go to very many rally's. I agree with your ideas. Jim
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This thread has gotten too technical, what with arguments about CDC statistics and such; and too Philosophical with quotes and music. It was much more fun when both sides lined up and insulted each other openly. I guess that it is time to go read more "black tank stopped up" threads until things here pick up!
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A duel!! Let's have a duel!!! I will get my gun, oh wait, you do not have one, I win.. Now that's funny. Jim
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