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Old 02-15-2015, 04:08 PM   #1
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Hey Guys,

I've had my Internatonal 25' CCD listed on the Forum Classifieds less than three days and I have already been contacted by three obvious scams and one offer to broker the trailer. The scams all want my Pay Pal account # so the can send me the asking price. No desire to see the AS or any questions asked. Maybe she is just that nice they don't have to ask anything. Seriously, I've never had this happen before in this amount.

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Old 02-15-2015, 06:09 PM   #2
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Yep, that has become a big problem here with no requirements to either post adds or inquire about them. Lots of crooks out there just looking for suckers.
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Old 02-15-2015, 06:36 PM   #3
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A long time problem with Kijiji. I hadn't heard that it was happening here too. Darn.
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Old 02-19-2015, 05:28 PM   #4
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and do not accept checks for more than the asking price with a request to refund the difference
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Old 02-19-2015, 06:34 PM   #5
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I really dislike that there is no post limit to post in the classifieds. At least require someone have 5-10 posts.
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and do not accept checks for more than the asking price with a request to refund the difference
Yes it's unfortunate these days that you have to check on the cheques, as even what seems like a bonafide "certified cheque" can be bounce and declared NSF. I have even heard that transactions through Paypal, if the person sending you money declares a "fraud" has taken place, can have the transaction reversed and keep the item.

A bank draft or bank cheque is my preferred method of guaranteed money in my bank, as it is the bank that the bank draft is written from that is sending you money. Once a bank draft is given to the recipient it cannot be reversed.
As the old saying goes..."If it is too good to be true, it isn't".

Also be aware of advertising for a wanted item as there are people out there scamming people looking for desirable or hard to find items. The scammer will tell you that they have the item and even send you pictures but will only deal in cash. Send the cash and they will not send you anything, their address being a mail drop box or warehouse.

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Old 02-19-2015, 08:43 PM   #7
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And even better way to complete the transaction is at the bank. Let them receive the funds that way your account is safe and sound. Did this with a sale of a boat and pop up camper when they wanted to pay cash.
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:00 PM   #8
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Carver 1... try the "risky" Craigslist under RV's.

I had two legitimates buyers. Four lookers and ignored the replies that wanted to know if I could ship it Priority Mail immediately.

I still sell items on Craigslist, but am always aware of possible scammers. Western Union transfers are permanent. Everything else... you have NO control unless at your Bank or Credit Union.

Sold the 23 footer for $27,450 to the first customer. The second waited in my garage waiting for the first deal to fall through. This was in Denver, last Fall.

Slympicins is correct. That is exactly what we did and did all of the paper work with a notary to add.

I have a "certified cashiers check" for $2,450 sent Fed Ex next day from Virginia, on an College check in California and wanting the "overpayment of $1,450 sent Western Union to Florida for $1,000 of Books, technical Geological Sciences to a Children's Orphanage (somewhere). The local police said there is nothing they could do, the college said thanks for letting them know, and the "customer" would email and someone would leave a phone message up to the time they figured the "certified check" had bounced and the scam was completed.

It was even a very poor quality forgery to begin with.

Somehow they do get some people to follow through. I kept this as an example of how easily scammers have no fear of law enforcement and nobody seems to care to track anyone down.

I have been in the buying and selling business for decades. You develop a smell test and like Slympicins... YOU pick the terms as the Seller... not the customer.
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:16 PM   #9
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Scammers

Having sold a moho, several motorcycles, and cars via various trade publications, I can attest to the large number of scams one runs into. In fact, i have about $35,000 in fake cashier's checks, the ones sent and then they ask for a refund after shipping is calculated.

Then there are the ones who want to broker the deal, promising they will give you all the best. And, the best way to figure all this out is to do a Google search for "Company X Reviews" and one will quickly discover the bad eggs. One company kept calling, asking for about $400 to advertise, was going to put the add in at about 25% higher price than the market was showing, and all but "guarantees" a sale immediately. Most of the reviews showed this company did almost nothing for the $400 and in fact would ask for more money to "update" or "upscale" the ad.

I do all my business at my bank, and any negotiable paper is cleared by my bank by calling the bank upon which the instrument is drawn. It can be noted the phone number on a check is NOT the one to call, but instead the phone number on a bank website. The numbers on the fake checks are usually cell phones but when answered they will sound like the bank. And, they will of course guarantee the check...LOL

So, the scammers are numerous, on smaller items it seems like the Nigerians love to make offers. One camera I had for sale was responded to by two Nigerians and the address was only a block apart. In an email I suggested they get together on their scam techniques.
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Old 02-22-2015, 08:28 PM   #10
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This tactic was actually started in Nigeria. They made tons of money on unsuspecting honest people. I had someone here who recently sold a high dollar guitar amplifier and followed the buyers instructions. Two weeks later the bank told him the check was no good. He had shipped the amp and the balance of the check. Needless to say he felt horrible. Craigs list has many horror stories such as this. Selling cars is big too. We had a middle age woman beaten in a parking lot by buyers, or so she thought, while trying to sell some jewelry on Craigs list. BEWARE of these thrives.
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Old 02-22-2015, 11:19 PM   #11
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A bank draft or bank cheque is my preferred method of guaranteed money in my bank, as it is the bank that the bank draft is written from that is sending you money. Once a bank draft is given to the recipient it cannot be reversed.
As the old saying goes..."If it is too good to be true, it isn't".
Not true according to my bank. Deposit the draft or bank check and wait your bank's recommended time for it to clear ... YMMV
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Old 02-23-2015, 02:06 AM   #12
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In most cases the ABA routing number will be forged as well and the cashier's check will be accepted, money placed in your account, then once the check is determined to be fraudulent, the money is withdrawn from your account, often about three weeks later. Of course with the Nigerian scam, you have sent them the "overpayment " via money order, only to discover the fraud after your money is gone.


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Old 02-23-2015, 06:12 AM   #13
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Yep. That's how it works. To us it seems simple to understand and wonder how folks could fall prey to such a thing. Good honest people just don't always see the bad in folks and those are the most likely prey.
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I have sold RVs, Cars, Boats and Motorcycles on the net through various sales avenues. In every post I state CASH ONLY. No pay pal, no checks and certified checks - US Cash is small bills ONLY.

I have never received a scam email I am aware of, and sold all items within a responsible period of time. Now as a caveat to this, the IRS has looked into my cash deposits at our bank, but a phone conversation and a copy of the bill of sale to the IRS so far has sufficed.

I meet the people at a neutral spot I pick. In one case I met someone at their chosen time, early evening - so prior to delivering the MoHo to the spot I called the local police, told them what I was doing and that if they had an officer in the area could they cruise by. They were more than cooperative and actually there was no need.

I also note that both I and my son who often goes with me and or my wife are prepared as well for anything tawdry that might come up. Never had to drive away and never had an incident. Some don't like the cash only, but eventually someone accepts the policy and pays it.

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Old 02-26-2015, 12:48 AM   #15
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This cash only would have been a bit difficult when I sold my last moho. $180,000 is a lot of cash and promotes a theft. A bank transfer is best, although in my case a cashier's check, transferred at my bank, confirmed and guaranteed by my bank, was the method used. My bank contacted the buyers bank before he even arrived for the confirmation.


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Hi, I think you should have at least 100 posts and be a supporting member to post in the classified adds. That should eliminate the scammers.
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Hi, I think you should have at least 100 posts and be a supporting member to post in the classified adds. That should eliminate the scammers.
Robert - that is an EXCELLENT idea. Of course the owners of the forum are in business to make a profit and they need the ads. So that could be one alternative, with the other being that they pay more - enough so that their bonafides can be verified before the ad posts. That would include a credit check, identity verification, proof of address and proof of ownership of the item being sold.

I know that when I meet other Airstream owners the odds are about 1 in 10 that they are members - and a non-member who needs to sell should have the right to put his ad before our eager eyes, right?

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Ad requirements

While the general web scammers would be put off by the 100 post requirement, this would not phase a real con artist. If someone is selling or buying something for $20,000 or more and is a confidence man, they are very clever. IMO, however, doing business in a bank with video recording, bank officials checking negotiable instruments, etc. this will be the safest method of money transfer.

Also, the posting requirement would eliminate hundreds of ads, IMO
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The Oklahoma City police recently announced that they have meeting rooms for people to complete transactions that started online. I'm imagining the look on the scammer's face when I tell him to meet me at the OKC police station at 10:00 tomorrow.
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