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Old 04-09-2013, 07:16 PM   #29
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sounds like you know all about what TAC is about then. Let the webmaster know when we can put it on the calendar. With no dues or officers, TAC is what it's members make of it. Kind of a "free range club"
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I'd love to. And I have considered doing just that. Although we are now moving (sorry!), and will wait to we get to the new digs in SoCal around July.

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If your moving to SoCal, look us up in San Diego. Your more then welcome to join us at one of our weekend rallies.
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If your moving to SoCal, look us up in San Diego. Your more then welcome to join us at one of our weekend rallies.
I should have posted a link to our web page. Oops. Airstreamsandiego.com
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Thanks for the invite Rumship! We won't be far away from SD and we will definitely try a rally with your outfit.
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We belong to three units in Southern California, El Camino Real, South Coast and Central Coast California Units. All three of them are friendly, informal units. Our main unit is El Camino Real El Camino Real Unit We are headed to Hemet the end of the month for the Ramona Pageant Official Website of the Ramona Bowl Amphitheatre ~ Home of "Ramona" ~ American's Longest Running Outdoor Drama and the Official California State Outdoor Play With these units we have gone many places which we would not have otherwise gone: Reagan Library, Malibu Getty, Death Valley for Death Valley Rendezvous, King Tut Exhibit, Sam Maloof home and bus tour of Santa Barbara.

When you move down here, please look us up.

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Thanks for the invite Rumship! We won't be far away from SD and we will definitely try a rally with your outfit.
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With these units we have gone many places which we would not have otherwise gone: Reagan Library, Malibu Getty, Death Valley for Death Valley Rendezvous, King Tut Exhibit, Sam Maloof home and bus tour of Santa Barbara.



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Places I'd love to see Bill. Another nice invite - thank you. I was going to say that one of the very best things about the 7 or 8 rallies I attended was we always visited some really interesting places that I would not have been likely to go to on my own. There's something nice about a pre-arranged tour. I can think of half a dozen cool discoveries we had on rallies. That's the "adventure" part that I think clubs can do really well. Seriously, thanks for that nice invite. We'll meeting once we get settled down here.
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The general theme here as well as most other discussions about WBCCI is that it is all about the units. Find a unit you like and have fun and forget about or don't worry about the IBT and their politics. I think this is very good advice. The problem I have is the dues situation. As per the WBCCI web site the national dues are $65 per year and the units very from $1 to $25. And of coarse we cannot forget the "at large" member, they don't have a unit and for that they have the privilege of paying another $20.

The way to get me to return to the club...Make my unit dues $65 and the national dues $20. The IBT can argue all the want about their bylaws and the units can go about the business of having fun. Am I asking for too much?
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I've very much enjoyed traveling and living in my Airstream for the past five years. I enjoy the socializing when camping, whether in my Airstream, popup or tent. However, I found I have no interest in happy hours, potlucks, caravans or rules. So I'm no longer a WBCCI member. Everyone is different; it's not for me.
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Everyone has their own thing of what the enjoy and what they want to get out of a camping trip. My husband and I benefit from both worlds. We are members of TAC and just hosted the TAC OH Amish Country Rally this past weekend. We are not members of WBCCI but enjoy camping with the NOVA unit. So those we "run" with tend to cover both groups. We then camp what we want, when we can (not retired yet) and tend to be the youngest in the group. That being said, we always have fun no matter who we camp with and there is always fellowship, great stories, and a bunch of food. If you are ever in our neck of the woods (Ohio) we would be more than happy to have you join us to courtesy park or meet you somewhere in the state and enjoy the company! You don't have to belong to any club or even have an airstream with my philosophy, so long as you enjoy the outdoors and like having a good time, we would be willing to hang!
BTW, we are not members of WBCCI has no benefit to us since we still have to work during the week However, once we are retired and have the availability to leave our stick building, we will probably use the membership and will join then but it would be with the NOVA unit due to their unique design.
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Everyone has their own thing of what the enjoy and what they want to get out of a camping trip. My husband and I benefit from both worlds. We are members of TAC and just hosted the TAC OH Amish Country Rally this past weekend. We are not members of WBCCI but enjoy camping with the NOVA unit. So those we "run" with tend to cover both groups. We then camp what we want, when we can (not retired yet) and tend to be the youngest in the group. That being said, we always have fun no matter who we camp with and there is always fellowship, great stories, and a bunch of food. If you are ever in our neck of the woods (Ohio) we would be more than happy to have you join us to courtesy park or meet you somewhere in the state and enjoy the company! You don't have to belong to any club or even have an airstream with my philosophy, so long as you enjoy the outdoors and like having a good time, we would be willing to hang!
BTW, we are not members of WBCCI has no benefit to us since we still have to work during the week However, once we are retired and have the availability to leave our stick building, we will probably use the membership and will join then but it would be with the NOVA unit due to their unique design.
One reason to join a club is to support that club. It's nice that you have found a unit that continues to allow you to camp with them. Hopefully they will still be a unit when if ever you find it more to your advantage to join. It doesn't sound like you don't camp often or don't participate. You hosted a TAC rally. It sounds like you would be an asset to the NOVA unit with your membership.

People have to understand clubs don't survive without member support. In this world it's with dues, money. The WBCCI, Air Forums both have ways to help support these clubs. Without funds to pay the operating costs, they will simply fade away. It always amazes me when people want services for free. The amount of people on the forums who are not supporting members is incredible. It's a sticker, it's a small fee that helps with cost of the site.

I don't want to sound to critical. I just think you should support the clubs service that you are apparently using and frankly enjoying. Age not important, working, not important. Enjoying the time spent with others, very important. Helping to support those clubs longevity, also very important.
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One reason to join a club is to support that club. It's nice that you have found a unit that continues to allow you to camp with them. Hopefully they will still be a unit when if ever you find it more to your advantage to join. It doesn't sound like you don't camp often or don't participate. You hosted a TAC rally. It sounds like you would be an asset to the NOVA unit with your membership.

People have to understand clubs don't survive without member support. In this world it's with dues, money. The WBCCI, Air Forums both have ways to help support these clubs. Without funds to pay the operating costs, they will simply fade away. It always amazes me when people want services for free. The amount of people on the forums who are not supporting members is incredible. It's a sticker, it's a small fee that helps with cost of the site.

I don't want to sound to critical. I just think you should support the clubs service that you are apparently using and frankly enjoying. Age not important, working, not important. Enjoying the time spent with others, very important. Helping to support those clubs longevity, also very important.
We camp quite often actually, though it tends to be weekend camps vs caravans and far away places. We also host many rallys including some of the Buddy Rallys for WBCCI units. I have no qualms about supporting groups we enjoy however, I work hard for my money and most times we support the groups we belong to in other ways that are more detrimental than monetary. For example, I spend many hours prepping to host rallys and doing the leg work, updating newsletters/websites, and making sure it gets attention. I have NEVER EVER charged a rally fee or expected my services or my camping stay to be covered by anyone but myself. We also do not throw simple rallys. Ask anyone who was at the TAC OH rally their thoughts on what we put together without ever asking for a rally fee.
It is not all about the money for some clubs, as an example, check out the membership dues for units in WBCCI. Why is there a need for more than $5 membership to a unit above the $65 wbcci fee?
I can enjoy the fellowship and company of others without being a member of a club to camp. Its about getting back to nature and enjoying the outdoors.
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Like I said, you would be an asset. Unit dues help with reserving campsites ahead of time for members. Cost of running websites. Printing of newsletters. On and on. Like I said, I hope your local unit is still around when you decide it will benefit you. In case your unaware, units are folding ever year from lack of support. I'm glad you are active.
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BTW, I have no objections at all to the dues and fees associated with our membership to the WBCCI. I thought they were pretty modest and reasonable. Rallies with "catered dinners and tours" were reasonably priced, and usually we got a group discount, so it was a good deal. Vacationing isn't cheap. Of course there is a good spread between:
"just camping<------->vactioning." Right? Those are not the same things by intention. You choose what you enjoy. I enjoy some of each.

As to whatever I perceive are the problems of WBCCI, "dues and fees" isn't on my list.

My message to WBCCI: REBOOT

EDIT: I think I will make that my new mantra: "Reboot the WBCCI!"
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Oh what the heck...

I have to reply to Rumship comment about units folding from "lack of support"...

The units I've seen fold are lacking in support because they are so firmly stuck in 1975, and continue the same uninteresting Thurs-Sat rallies at Fairgrounds with communal cooking kitchen duty, card games and jelly donut ceremonies.. They have failed to accommodate the needs of younger owners and new members, who take a look and then look elsewhere. (and no, they were usually not open to suggestions for alternative events or changing the standard protocol for their unit outings.. They believed new members should learn how to enjoy their style of rally...)

Several of the "electronic" units like WDCU and NOVA and 4CU offer the benefits of the international, without the high costs and low benefits of some local units, who still type and copy and mail newsletters and build their yearly schedule around a 3 week "caravan" to the International Rally.. The International Rally is also (not surprisingly) failing to attract attendees (attendance falls every year even as Airstream sells record numbers of new trailers..), due in large part (I believe) because they select small out of the way locations with available fairgrounds in the hottest month of the year.. I doubt, for example, that few of us have central North Dakota in July on our "bucket lists", and we've not been looking for any possible excuse to head up there..

We remain members, essentially getting little current value for money sent to HQ, in hopes that things will improve as younger owners move into leadership roles.. Shorter caravans, more interesting weekend rallies aligned with a low-key organizational agenda, and an "International Rally" in a really attractive location during the spring or fall with temperate weather could all be big winners.. Look at rallies like the Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta Rally, which started as a "Forum Rally" in 2007, moved under the umbrella of the 4CU in 2009, and is likely to attract more than 100 Airstreams this October.. Similar events could probably be organized around Oshkosh or Sun 'n Fun in Lakeland FL, or the Kentucky Derby or one of the auto races at Indianapolis.

and as a p.s., the Club isn't a 501(c)(3) corporation, those are strictly charitable.. It is organized under 501(c)(7)..
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