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Old 06-15-2013, 05:07 PM   #29
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Most airsteams have wheels, you drive them somewhere cool.
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Old 06-15-2013, 05:25 PM   #30
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... the salesperson may not have been the very most knowledgeable ...
Sadly you've hit the nail square on the head. The term caveat emptor has been around a really long time so some things have changed little. The more the purchaser knows beforehand, the more likely he will get what he wants and be more satisfied with it in the long run. Sales people are like anyone else trying to pay the rent and feed their families, but many really don't have an intimate knowledge of what they are selling. I think many of us have come away from an RV dealer's sales lot thinking the last time that salesman went camping was with his Cub Scout Pack!

Asking questions here can be very beneficial, but we often don't know all the questions to ask. See if you can find an Airstream rally or two in your area and get yourself invited. I think that will give you a better feel for what you want.

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...otherwise my "new on lot" vs. "new direct special order from factory" will be a much easier decision.
No pun intended but to coin the Boy Scout motto, Be Prepared... Airstream builds only to order, either dealer purchases or special orders through a dealer. Dealers are few and far between and many but not all carry a limited stock. When I was in Jackson Center last month they have boosted production considerably compared to 3 years ago. I recall being told on the tour that they are at current max capacity of 40-50 per week and have a backlog of 800 units.
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Old 06-15-2013, 05:34 PM   #31
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Most airsteams have wheels, you drive them somewhere cool.
That seems mostly a wonderful plan...I live in AL, and I can hit norther GA, TN, NC has some great destination, some family in southwestern VA, etc....

But, I greatly look forward to beach trips here in the gulf...and possibly over around hilton head and other spots...the heat is fun when you can go swimming - we are pretty big beach bums in summer...even when it is hot as hell...
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Old 06-15-2013, 05:46 PM   #32
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I run from the scorching heat. I am probably not camping or riding my motorcyle much until labor day now.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:14 PM   #33
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Our first trip out with our then brand new 27' 2001 Safari pointed out how undersized the A/C unit was for 100 degree temperatures. That trailer came with a 13.5 K Penguin. The interesting thing was camped right next to me was my older SOB which was 30' and had a Duo-Therm 13.5 K Brisk Air. That trailer was comfortable and we were in the mid to upper 80's in the Safari. After a trip to the dealer and to Jackson Center, no one found any problem. One thing I did was to add a Zip Dee awning on the street side of the Safari that covered almost the entire length of the trailer. That made a big difference on heat gain.

When we bought our Classic in 2004 I opted to have it built with the 15K Penguin rather than the standard (at that time) 13.5 K unit. Quite honestly 100's are not the norm for this part of the country, but if I were one who camped where 100's were more common, I'd definitely have two units.

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Old 06-15-2013, 06:23 PM   #34
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Are 50 amp service 110v or 220v?
The 50 amp service is 240v at 50 amp.

In most RVs it is used as 2 separate 50 amp 120v circuits, but on some motor homes it is used as 240v for some appliances.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:51 PM   #35
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Paint Roof White and Switch to 15,000 BTU

I have a 34' Avion triple axle Silver Sister....

It originally had the 13,500 Coleman and a silver roof.

On a 95 degree day it would get up to 80 in the coach.

I painted the roof white (that's a whole 'nother thread unto itself...you gotta etch the roof, use aircraft primer, etc. before you can paint it....) with gloss white Rustoleum. That cut the inside temperature 10 degrees F.

I replaced the old Coleman Delta T with a new Carrier AiRV 15,000 BTU a/c....

Now I am comfy and do not sweat inside, no matter if it's 100 outside.

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Old 06-15-2013, 07:13 PM   #36
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Jim, that is gamechanging info for me

We are looking at a new 28 foot flying cloud, it comes stock with 15K btu AC unit.....based on that and what you said, I should be good...seems like others have had different experiences slightly, but perhaps they had 13.5k not 15..and perhaps they did not have the roof painted....etc...so perhaps you hit the sweet spot..

Man, its hard to imagine that 1 unit cooled the 34 as such in 100 degree heat....
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:34 PM   #37
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Our rig is only 19' and we have a 13,500 btu AC unit. It does great in this small space...and we camp in the heat a LOT, being where we are. Our roof is white and we have awnings all the way around which helps tremendously...you wouldn't think the shorter street side and rear awnings would do much, but they do...they shade the whole side of our rig even though we only have a few windows on that side.

That having been said, if we had a 28' rig or larger we'd definitely want two AC units (as big as you can get). In our climate, I don't think one would no be enough.
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:16 PM   #39
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My 2007 27FB came stock with 15K BTU. I found out real quick that in 90 degree plus temps it wasn't gonna cool well enough for me. A few weeks ago I went to Jackson Center and had them instalI a 13.5 k BTU A/C in the bedroom (where the Fantastic Fan was located). They did an excellent job for a reasonable price. To save on costs and for simplicity, I opted not to have the electrical upgraded to 50 amps. JC's solution was to add a second 30 amp receptacle beside the existing 30 amp receptacle and added an electrical box for the A/C at the foot of the street side twin bed. I apologize for the quality of the pics. I just ran across this thread and just took the photos a sec ago (it's 11:10 Eastern time as of this post). In my opinion, if you have the exposed aluminum interior, and you plan on initially firing up the A/C often in the early afternoon during 95 degree temps in a 25' or larger Airstream, you need a second A/C.
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I am new to RV's...what is the functional difference (in dumb terms) with the 30 vs. 50 amp issue here?

We are looking to buy new this year possibly, and noticing the 28' flying cloud comes with only one 15K btu ac unit...I would need to special order (higher cost) or have it added after...

On the other hand, if we decide on a 30', it already has 2 15k units stock I think....a 10K ish difference in cost of the models....wonder how much cost to add the 2nd AC on the 28 would be both from jackson direct in the first place...vs. after the fact as was done by lylesgl?

On the other
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I am new to RV's...what is the functional difference (in dumb terms) with the 30 vs. 50 amp issue here?

We are looking to buy new this year possibly, and noticing the 28' flying cloud comes with only one 15K btu ac unit...I would need to special order (higher cost) or have it added after...

On the other hand, if we decide on a 30', it already has 2 15k units stock I think....a 10K ish difference in cost of the models....wonder how much cost to add the 2nd AC on the 28 would be both from jackson direct in the first place...vs. after the fact as was done by lylesgl?

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A 30 amp service is not capable of powering 2 13K or larger air conditioners simultaneously; therefore upgrade to a 50 amp service is required. If you purchase the 30' with two a/c stock, it will come with 50 amp service. I went around the requirement to upgrade to 50 amp service by having the electrical for the second a/c installed separate from the stock 30 amp electrical.

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My 2007 27FB came stock with 15K BTU. I found out real quick that in 90 degree plus temps it wasn't gonna cool well enough for me. A few weeks ago I went to Jackson Center and had them instalI a 13.5 k BTU A/C in the bedroom (where the Fantastic Fan was located). They did an excellent job for a reasonable price. To save on costs and for simplicity, I opted not to have the electrical upgraded to 50 amps. JC's solution was to add a second 30 amp receptacle beside the existing 30 amp receptacle and added an electrical box for the A/C at the foot of the street side twin bed. I apologize for the quality of the pics. I just ran across this thread and just took the photos a sec ago (it's 11:10 Eastern time as of this post). In my opinion, if you have the exposed aluminum interior, and you plan on initially firing up the A/C often in the early afternoon during 95 degree temps in a 25' or larger Airstream, you need a second A/C.
So does the second 30 amp run off a second cord, or do both breakers run off of one cord? If its one cord did they upgrade the cord to a 50 amp cord?
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