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Old 05-08-2014, 08:02 AM   #15
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I was inspired by an old travel trailer relegated to a trailer park rental that I saw as a kid in the early 80s.

I don't remember what brand it was, but I do remember it was a larger squarish trailer. In reflection it was probably a 40s or 50s trailer. I remember being unimpressed until I walked in the door. The trailer had style and the coolest wood paneling. The vision has stuck with my for years.
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J Morgan's is one of the best remodels I have seen. I have seen some really bad ones on ebay and craigs list and act like they actually improved the trailer. All original usually means nothing has been maintained in 40yrs.

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This is what I was thinking about in my earlier post. Remodeling like this is a work of a keen eye and talented hands. Like a '35 Ford turned into a street rod. Heritage in the past but using the current technologies to make a unique and functional vehicle and trailer. Just as stunning as a painstaking restoration to 'as built' status....
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Old 05-08-2014, 05:29 PM   #17
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J. Morgan- absolutely superb design and workmanship! Isn't it amazing the image that you carried in your p brain all those years until it was your time to use it.

alexdubs- Take a look at Klatawa's thread in the 59-69 Tradewind section titled '65 TW Remodel- our turn. They completely changed the layout and did a very professional job- one of the best I have seen.

I have kept my 66 Tradewind original because the interior was in great shape and the layout and storage works well for us.

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Old 05-08-2014, 05:45 PM   #18
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This is what I was thinking about in my earlier post. Remodeling like this is a work of a keen eye and talented hands. Like a '35 Ford turned into a street rod. Heritage in the past but using the current technologies to make a unique and functional vehicle and trailer. Just as stunning as a painstaking restoration to 'as built' status....

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...d/DSCN2423.jpg

How about a 39 Ford??

The Ford has taken me a mite longer to finish than the AS....
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:09 PM   #19
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This is my take on the issue………

I'm currently remodelling my 1983 310 turbo diesel motorhome. This involves new subfloor, flooring (Torly's engineered hardwood maple), new cabinets and new vinyl wall covering on the interior gables. I have chucked the Nutone processor, the small ice box/freezer, furnace and every cabinet.

In replacing anything however I have been very cognizant of the weight issue. I replaced my subfloor with Coosa board that's 40% lighter than plywood. It will not rot or mildew. If for example I couldn't find a bathroom sink that was lighter than the original, then the original stays, albeit with a new coat of paint. I also payed special attention to how Airstream constructed the cabinets, and while mine are out of pine, I have been very conscious to constructing them as strong but as light as possible. The cabinets have as little sides or interior gables as possible and no backs to save weight. I have used a high end bottom mounted sides which require two per drawer (added weight), but I have already chucked the freezer.

Do what you want to but remember this…. any added weight will cost you more gas, poorer acceleration, poorer braking, worst handling (other than wind I guess). It will tax your trailers suspension if it's not up to snuff or rated for the extra weight. Also be careful to how the weight is distributed in the trailer, too much behind the rear axle (trailer sway), too much in front of the axles (too much tongue weight and the tow vehicle could loose steering control and braking performance.

Finally, technology has come a long way since the 80's (LED lights and lamps etc), why not take advantage of it?

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Old 05-08-2014, 08:52 PM   #21
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Valid points all.

I ended up redoing the back half of the bathroom because I made it too heavy.

I started the rebuild in the back and overbuilt it the first time round, too much wood , too many cabinets, and putting my batteries in the rear hatch was a big mistake.

The weight behind the axles matters, particularly the weight in the back two or three feet.

Before I lightened the trailer it weighed about 6,500 lbs.

My estimation is that weight in the very back acts like a pendulum adding to sway, and the further the weight is from the rear axle, its effect is increased exponentially. There is a very fine line between acceptable and too much weight, that can not be offset with front ballast.

I used 3/4" plywood cut in 2" slats as structural wood, which is lighter than solid wood and quite strong.

All of the cabinets but the main kitchen counter are constructed with boards cut from plywood and clad with 1/4" plywood. Very light, and very solid.

So, I did a remodel, and a partial re-re-model after the first trip.
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Yeah, I don't know how many times I have looked at Airstream reno's, especially by the biker set with the Harley colours, check plate aluminum metal everywhere, massive tv, stereo, all blinged out and heavy as hell. Usually the first post after the first drive is "What happened to my engine power cause my Airstream is a dog????"

The Golden rule is as follows…."For every 100lbs you add to any vehicle you must add 10 hp to maintain a vehicles original performance."

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J. Morgan, your estimation is pretty close. A trailer is basically a lever system, with the axle(s) basically as the pivot and the frame as a lever extending from the rear bumper to the tongue. Balance is the key. As a general rule of thumb, the heaviest objects should be over the axle or just ahead of it, or failing that just behind the axle, to minimize the pendulum effect. Preference should be on or ahead of, as the trailer needs to be heavier in front to ensure adequate tongue weight.
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Old 05-08-2014, 10:18 PM   #24
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What got me was the "little here, and a little there" effect. The stuff I put in back was fairly light piece for piece, but all added up it was a lot.

On my re-re-model I removed about 350 lbs from the back 3' of the trailer, most of this from the back two feet of the interior,,, plus the two house batteries.

The 350lbs made a huge difference in the trailers towing manners. (I had pulled the batteries out before leaving town on my first trip)

So, the short way of saying what I said above is watch out for the little things, they add up. I weighed the stuff I took out, I was surprised to find that they added up to about 400 lbs, I replaced this stuff with less than 50 pounds.
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What got me was the "little here, and a little there" effect. The stuff I put in back was fairly light piece for piece, but all added up it was a lot.

So, the short way of saying what I said above is watch out for the little things, they add up. I weighed the stuff I took out, I was surprised to find that they added up to about 400 lbs, I replaced this stuff with less than 50 pounds.
LOL I had my wife check out this post. The way she packed for a two week vacation and you'd think the apocalypse was upon us…….clothing for her and our two girls for two weeks, no laundry, two sets of dishes and cutlery etc, etc. I have told her, next time that in order to take more than what I deemed necessary she would have to loose weight.

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Old 05-09-2014, 09:03 PM   #26
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Lol, you will just have to convince her that no matter what, on a two week trip you are going to the laundromat, so keep it light....

Oh wait,,,,,, never mind....
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I weighed a lot of the stuff that came out of the cabinets on mine when we started tear down... do we REALLY need stoneware place settings for 8? Not to mention enough silverware to open our own bridal registry... When things start going back there is going to be a recording scale right by the door! I am not worried about adding weight to the components, everything planned and in progress is going to result in weight savings, copper vs Pex, replacing the Uni-volt with a PD, etc. Stock cabinets are going back, hard to beat them for their lightweight design.

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I weed out things we haven't used and I don't think we will start using every spring. Some things I leave in because we COULD need at some point (like extra blankets). Amazing what I've taken out over the years! It's a good practice.

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