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Old 01-18-2016, 06:52 PM   #29
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It is hard not to take a comment like: "Starting in 2015, the Classics lost their unique interior and now look more like a glorified International model which cut a lot of cost out of building the trailer and at the same time they raised the price over 25%" -- somewhat personally (since I own one). I did have a 2012 28' International CCD so I know of what I am speaking. The only major interior similarity to the International is lots of aluminum and windows. Other than that, the changes are too numerous to mention. About all that's the same fixture-wise is the toilets are the same. And, the A/C units. Other than that, every cabinet, every appliance is different --and dare I say, "better" or with "higher output." I do understand the loss that some folks felt with mouse fur walls, striped cabinetry, pinch pleated curtains, carpeting. But, if you wanted high quality Villa RV furniture, electric recliners, electric stabilizers, Corian countertops, hardwood cherry cabinetry, brushed nickel faucetry, etc., etc., then the newer Classic fills the block. I guess somebody got it right, because many of us who ordered them waited up to 6 months to get one. In terms of the price? Remember the words of Oscar Wilde: "cynics know the price of everything and the value of nothing."
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Old 01-18-2016, 07:52 PM   #30
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We love the new Classic, absolutely gorgeous, beautifully coordinated design. Using the mirror-like interior riveted aluminum is genius, you don't look at the walls you look into them. You know you're in an Airstream.

I wish we had a use for this size. If they extend this design to the mid-range Airstream size (25-28) in a rear queen bed model with the power reclining sofa in front we'll be in trouble, it may be too perfect to refuse.
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Old 01-19-2016, 02:24 PM   #31
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Being in the same situation, I found that youtube was very helpful. There are several dealers that have extensive videos there that explain nearly all of the AS. Looking on Colonial Airstream, NJ, website, gives a lot of pictures of almost all of the models. Very helpful to me. There is even a video on YT that explains the difference between the 25 front and 25 rear bed. Most of the difference in the Serenity, Signature and Flying Cloud is cosmetic but FC does offer more floor plans. Good luck.
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Old 01-20-2016, 12:24 AM   #32
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One of the features that we did not figure out until we did a look back at the layouts. The front door models are suicide hinged. The rear doors blow closed. Believe the only issue is a need to lock the door when moving the trailer. There was a post that clarified some front door configurations do swing closed. Not sure which ones those would be. We had the reverse problem at one park. The wind hitting the back of the trailer from the Sacramento river was almost too strong to get the door closed. Really had to be careful it did not spring open in an uncontrolled slam against the side of the trailer. You makes your choice and deal with it. Pat
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Old 01-30-2016, 10:57 AM   #33
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Large opening windows. Got it. I would not have thought of that when at the dealer. I will now! Thanks!
Wondering if you have had time to check out the various models at the dealer?

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Old 01-30-2016, 11:19 AM   #34
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PS -- missed the edit time window -- the best feature of the Flying Cloud line IMO are the windows which are hinged on the top and open really wide, shed rain well, and have full screens for great ventilation in hot weather. Perfect for boondocking when there is no line voltage for the air conditioning (or hooking up a genset).

No matter what model you want, please pay attention to the windows. Many other new models have large fixed glass widows with dinky little slide-open windows under the fixed glass. Forget about using these trailers in hot weather unless you have the air conditioning on. A real pain in the glass!

I believe the "sliders" are only on the "Sport" models; not on FC and above.
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Old 02-04-2016, 10:11 PM   #35
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One thing that has not been mentioned about the Classic is the weight. We have a 2007 Classic 27' FB Limited. With all the hardwood and other upgraded items, the Classics are heavier than their similar length brothers. To handle this extra weight, the Classic has a heavier frame, at least that is what I was told. We are very happy with our AS however.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:53 AM   #36
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Wondering if you have had time to check out the various models at the dealer?

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Hi and sorry for the slow response. I have not. We plan to visit AirstreamNW in March. Will be attending the Seattle RV Show next Thursday, Feb. 11. I don't expect to see Airstream's there as they've not been represented in the past but will enjoy viewing the (weak) competition. I am familiar with general RV construction and materials....
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:32 AM   #37
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AirstreamsNW were at the Portland RV expo last year, so maybe you will see them at your local expo!
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:42 AM   #38
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Dear Chris,

Welcome to Air Forums. I hope you find what's right for you; after having bought a 5th wheel from Poulsbo RV & found it lacking, the AS has proven right for us.

Others have talked about models & their differences, so I won't, other than to say that we looked heavily at the Internet & then spent several hours, twice, shopping at our local AS dealer: AS Adventures NW, in Covington. As a fellow NWer, I'd like to mention our experience there.

Our salesman was luke-warm; he'd answer our questions & take us on tours of the various models, but that was about it. He sent us Emails that were unedited & misspelled our names. Adequate, but over the phone & in person with other sales people at other dealerships, we met others who were far more outgoing, informative, & helpful.

After two shopping visits, we got down to cost, and he gave us what he said was their "no negotiating, best cash price." I thought it was excessive, so I began calling dealerships from Colonial, in NJ, across the midwest, and in CA and the SW, everyone of which gave me a better price, by at least several thousand. The best price I got was from Toscano RV (mentioned in an Email above), in Los Banos (south of San Jose & west of Merced): exactly $7,000 less that Adventures NW. Furthermore, their salesman was simply suberb, all information & personal experience & no hard sell --- he actually listened to us, took our questions seriously, & answered them completely --- amazing! From my own experience, I can't recommend them too highly; we simply had no negatives about either its salesman or its manager.

Another issue for you & me as WA residents is sales tax, collected in both WA & CA, although the CA sales tax is slightly lower, typically 8.5% as opposed to typically 9.5% in WA. So if you buy in CA, you pay their sales tax & when you register in WA, you get a credit for CA sales tax paid & pay WA the difference (for example, 1%).

We traded in our 5th wheel in our purchase of the AS. If you are thinking of a trade-in, too, Toscano was remarkably generous in its trade-in price, & there are some quirks re the difference between CA & WA sales tax collection on a trade-in that you should be aware of. Bottom line: we paid Toscano $600 to drive the trailer to Reno so we could take delivery of the AS in NV, a no-sales tax state, to avoid having to pay sales tax in CA on the trade-in value, as WA sales tax is calculated only on the difference between purchase price & trade-in value, while CA sales tax is calculated on the full purchase price alone.

Lastly, last year, we missed the Seattle RV show but attended the Tacoma RV show, & AS Adventures NW was there, so I wouldn't be surprised if you find them at the Seattle show, too.

Good luck with your quest.
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Old 02-05-2016, 11:36 PM   #39
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Thanks so much for the great advice. When we purchased our Tiffin diesel pusher we visited Poulsbo and quickly learned that they were not remotely price competitive. We consulted the Tiffin owners forum for advice and ended up purchasing the coach from a dealer in Mississippi. So we are no strangers to traveling great distances in order to save a significant amount of money!! If we decide that AS is the right choice we will most definitely visit Los Banos. We lived in the Bay area for 20 years so I am quite familiar with the area. Do you recall your salesman's name?
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:29 AM   #40
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Dear Chris,

Welcome to Air Forums. I hope you find what's right for you; after having bought a 5th wheel from Poulsbo RV & found it lacking, the AS has proven right for us.

Others have talked about models & their differences, so I won't, other than to say that we looked heavily at the Internet & then spent several hours, twice, shopping at our local AS dealer: AS Adventures NW, in Covington. As a fellow NWer, I'd like to mention our experience there.

Our salesman was luke-warm; he'd answer our questions & take us on tours of the various models, but that was about it. He sent us Emails that were unedited & misspelled our names. Adequate, but over the phone & in person with other sales people at other dealerships, we met others who were far more outgoing, informative, & helpful.

After two shopping visits, we got down to cost, and he gave us what he said was their "no negotiating, best cash price." I thought it was excessive, so I began calling dealerships from Colonial, in NJ, across the midwest, and in CA and the SW, everyone of which gave me a better price, by at least several thousand. The best price I got was from Toscano RV (mentioned in an Email above), in Los Banos (south of San Jose & west of Merced): exactly $7,000 less that Adventures NW. Furthermore, their salesman was simply suberb, all information & personal experience & no hard sell --- he actually listened to us, took our questions seriously, & answered them completely --- amazing! From my own experience, I can't recommend them too highly; we simply had no negatives about either its salesman or its manager.

Another issue for you & me as WA residents is sales tax, collected in both WA & CA, although the CA sales tax is slightly lower, typically 8.5% as opposed to typically 9.5% in WA. So if you buy in CA, you pay their sales tax & when you register in WA, you get a credit for CA sales tax paid & pay WA the difference (for example, 1%).

We traded in our 5th wheel in our purchase of the AS. If you are thinking of a trade-in, too, Toscano was remarkably generous in its trade-in price, & there are some quirks re the difference between CA & WA sales tax collection on a trade-in that you should be aware of. Bottom line: we paid Toscano $600 to drive the trailer to Reno so we could take delivery of the AS in NV, a no-sales tax state, to avoid having to pay sales tax in CA on the trade-in value, as WA sales tax is calculated only on the difference between purchase price & trade-in value, while CA sales tax is calculated on the full purchase price alone.

Lastly, last year, we missed the Seattle RV show but attended the Tacoma RV show, & AS Adventures NW was there, so I wouldn't be surprised if you find them at the Seattle show, too.

Good luck with your quest.
Just to put it into perspective, when we were "looking" in April, 2014, we also heard great things about Toscano. The salesman we had, was very knowledgeable, helpful, patient, and also gave us one heck of a bottom line price on a 25' FC Rear Twin, so we reserved our unit with deposit. We then called back AS Adventures in Fairfield by Sacramento as they said they would "not be undersold"....at first they said they would get back with me but a week went by; then they did call back and were a little lower in final price, but they had the model with front Twin, which also included full awning package and 1500 W inverter with their pricing; they were a bit pushy to take the deal, as I recall. We decided we wanted the front Twin however, and went with them. (Had to take delivery in Nevada also, $600, to register in MT, where we have a place.) I really liked dealing with Toscano and will call them again when we are ready. AS Adventures won our business on pricing, but they have emphasized since, that I got the "deal of the century!" which was only 22.5% off list. It pays to "shop around " for sure with the new prices and make sure you get the quotes in writting. If I lived closer to Colonial, or if I could get the best deal there, I would go there...I like Patrick and his crew, and they have helped me out a few times with questions and also shipping AS parts when I have had a need.
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Old 02-06-2016, 10:12 AM   #41
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The biggest factor for us (having lived full time in our 44' diesel pusher for about a year and one half, while exploring the USA) is having extremely comfortable seating. When we RV, we typically spend a number of hours inside the RV, working on our computers, surfing the net, watching TV, reading, relaxing. What we found with the Airstreams is that the bench sofas and the dinette benches are only tolerable for, perhaps 15 to 20 minutes until the seating comfort begins to give way to discomfort, backache, etc.

For us, only recliners (particularly of our own choosing) provide the supreme comfort while sitting that we enjoy in the RV.

Airstream offered a recliner layout in previous years, but we didn't like the euro recliners that they offered. So what we did was special order our Airstream with the recliner layout, but without the recliners... So we could furnish with our recliners of choice. Worked out perfectly and we have exceptional seating comfort now, where we can spend as much time relaxing inside the coach as we like, sitting, reclining, even napping in the recliners.

I will have to say that if we couldn't have recliners in an Airstream, we would not own an Airstream. Though they look nice, we find the slab sofas in Airstreams to be quite uncomfortable for more than a few minutes of hanging out.

Here's how our recliner option turned out:










Another design element that was important to us was, due to having no slide-outs in an Airstream, is having a very bright, open feeling space. We found that in the Flying Cloud 30, there were cabinets over the dinette, which gave us a closed-in, cramped feeling. In the International Serenity, there were Vista View Windows above the dinette instead of cabinets. We much prefer the bright, open, spacious feeling provided by having the Vista View Windows over the dinette and by not having overhead cabinets there.



Airstreams come up very short for floorspace and we have two dogs. So, we removed one of the dinette benches, giving ample floorspace for the dog beds. Having the great recliners, we rarely ever sit at the dinette (though we use the dinette as counter space all the time!).









We use the dinette table as a much needed staging area, added counter space for food prep, and for Bunn brewing machine and bar:


There is a large hall closet in our model, but we have no need to hang clothing there, so we installed a shelving unit to hold various kitchen and utility items. The floor of the closet required reinforcement to support the weight.



Thus, as you can see, by carefully choosing the model you buy, and then customizing to suit your particular needs, you can make an Airstream into a reasonably comfortable and suitable RV, for more than just weekend or short-term use.

Though Airstreams are comparatively quite limited for space, we could travel comfortably, for an extended period of time in this model, if we wanted to.




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Hi and sorry for the slow response. I have not. We plan to visit AirstreamNW in March. Will be attending the Seattle RV Show next Thursday, Feb. 11. I don't expect to see Airstream's there as they've not been represented in the past but will enjoy viewing the (weak) competition. I am familiar with general RV construction and materials....
When we have visited the RV Expo shows, they only bring in a few AS's; If you can get to AS NW or similar dealer (Colonial in East), (AS Adventures in Fairfield, CA has all models indoors!) that is the way to go...but one trip is likely not to do it, so plan a couple and take your time, take notes and pictures. We recently started looking at Class A and C motorhomes again, but my wife pointed out, our AS is just fine; "we can set it up in no time, don't need to tow a car, and don't give up our sleeping quarters if there is an engine or system issue on the road"....sometimes my wife's practicality takes the fun out of life!
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