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Old 05-24-2015, 11:14 PM   #15
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I love this.... RV experience: 2007 AS 25D Int Ocean Breeze, 2009 AS 27FB Ocean Breeze, 2010 Allegro Bus 43 QGP, and now my 2015 Serenity 30 RB. The Moho had an overall cost of about $3.25 per mile after depreciation, taxes, insurance, and operating costs are added up.

Why I am now back in an Airstream is about the thoughts of "what goes wrong next" and the ease of pulling rather than towing a car. The AS is essentially trouble free, the Moho, as all moho's are, had lots of small things to go wrong on a continuous basis.

When I sold my Allegro Bus I looked at a lot of box trailers, fifth wheels, and decided I was a better fit with an AS. So the new Serenity. I might have gone with the Classic, but they had not announced it when I ordered the Serenity. As to a fifth wheel, fuel mileage is poor and one person does not need all the room.

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Old 05-25-2015, 12:27 AM   #16
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Old 05-25-2015, 12:29 AM   #17
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Cute. But having been homeless for a time after Hurricane Katrina, you could say I spent a small fortune on my Airstream so I'd never have to be homeless, ever again.
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Old 05-25-2015, 12:37 AM   #18
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Old 05-25-2015, 12:58 AM   #19
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Same scenario. 20 years with a motorhome and a Jeep Wrangler toad. Daily driver was a Tahoe, now an Expedition. Wife's car a small crossover. Pickup to use to maintain three real properties. Three houses, five motor vehicles to license and insure AND MAINTAIN. Sold everything but two vehicles (one tow vehicle, one run-around-town car), bought a single house and a FC 25 FB - the Tin Twinkie. In 2-1/2 years, 20,000 miles on the Twinkie, and we're signed up for the 2016 WBCCI caravan to Alaska. The two of us and 2 100-pound Rhodesian Ridgebacks go wherever we please. Three or four trips a year, three or four or five weeks a trip. Being an engineer and a lifelong tinkerer, enlarged the bed to almost a Cal King, replaced the table with a maple one (Formica is for kitchen counters, not the table I eat my dinner from), aluminum platform on tongue for my generator and some other tweaks and additions. Been to Key West, San Diego, Bellingham, and Camden, ME, and points between. Long ago, restored a '66 Overlander, so I have rivet spinners and Pex tools and pretty good bring-along tool set. Ready for the road.
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Old 05-25-2015, 01:22 AM   #20
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I've been very fortunate in my life. I've worked hard and prospered beyond my dreams. I have everything I could reasonably dream of having, and a decent retirement account along with a continuing, generous internet-based income that we work. I guess you could say that I'm a 1 percenter, at the present time anyway. We feel very fortunate in that.

But, we are very much aware that things can and DO change. Sometimes quite DRAMATICALLY!

Putin may be pushed to drop an EMP over the center of the USA, rendering life as we know it to be completely extinct. He is evil enough to do that given that Russia is heading backward, not forward in today's world. (Read what he pushed into legislation in Russia today?) Putin will accept being beaten down for only so long. Pressures/changes in the world may very well push him to gifting us an EMP. May God bless us after that happens.

Or, on a much more minor level, the stock market could crash horribly and send most of us with fatty retirement investments straight into the financial gutter. I know that these things are possible and I respect that potential reality.

I've never been homeless. And I would hope that I never am.

HOWEVER, after having a 5th wheel, a large and luxurious diesel pusher, and soon, an Airstream... I know that if it should ever come to that (being homeless, with just a trailer to live in permanently - which isn't EXACTLY homeless!)... I know that I could live in a trailer and life wouldn't really be all that bad, at that, assuming that our overall infrastructure and supplies are well maintained. Living in RV parks (and I've stayed in a heck of a lot of RV parks, all across this great country, while traveling) isn't my idea of "wonderful" by ANY means, but it certainly is "do-able" if push comes to shove.

It's not the "things" you have in life that matter (as long as you at least have the basics of food and water and an intact shell to call your home) it's the people and, especially, your mindset that matter the most!

Trailer-trash doesn't necessarily have to be trash... it may just be living on a very different scale than most of us are presently accustomed to.
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Old 05-25-2015, 05:53 AM   #21
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What Toad?

What do you pull with sprinter? What does it do to fuel mileage? How much does it affect power in the mountains? Thanks
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I pull a 2013 Honda Fit hatchback, curb weight 2700 pounds, gross weight 3500 pounds.

Fuel economy only drops by about 1mpg while towing, from 19mpg to 18mpg on the Sprinter. Based on my calculations, at current diesel prices it costs me less than 1¢ per mile to tow the car— not counting the cost of the towing package. Since I have over 8000 miles towing the car to date, the cost including the towing package is down to about 35¢ per mile, and dropping with each new trip. The towing package (towbar, baseplates, supplemental brakes) was a fixed cost so the more miles, the lower the cost per mile.

Can't answer yet about the toad's effect on power in the mountains. Not a lot of mountains on the Gulf Coast, and I haven't yet taken a trip to the Rockies.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:33 AM   #23
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We turned our '06 Safari 25' FB into a guest house and bought a Unity TB MH. The Unity is the first RV or boat I've every owned that has been trouble free! Debated about pulling a tow'd and after an extended trip last summer, came to the conclusion that at 24' long and a little over 7' wide, there were no parking issues. Usually, the only thing I need to unhook is the electrical cord when we shop or sight see. I have an aluminum tilt bed trailer for hauling my hot rods to various events behind the diesel powered Unity (Sprinter). From Durango, heading north, east or west, I have to deal with mountain passes. Even pulling a trailer, there are no issues.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:48 AM   #24
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I love this.... RV experience: 2007 AS 25D Int Ocean Breeze, 2009 AS 27FB Ocean Breeze, 2010 Allegro Bus 43 QGP, and now my 2015 Serenity 30 RB. The Moho had an overall cost of about $3.25 per mile after depreciation, taxes, insurance, and operating costs are added up.

Why I am now back in an Airstream is about the thoughts of "what goes wrong next" and the ease of pulling rather than towing a car. The AS is essentially trouble free, the Moho, as all moho's are, had lots of small things to go wrong on a continuous basis.

When I sold my Allegro Bus I looked at a lot of box trailers, fifth wheels, and decided I was a better fit with an AS. So the new Serenity. I might have gone with the Classic, but they had not announced it when I ordered the Serenity. As to a fifth wheel, fuel mileage is poor and one person does not need all the room.

From my Serenity on the road in South Dakota...


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"What goes wrong next", so true about most if not all complex motor homes. My Tuscany, as much as I loved it was like an unruly child, just waiting for the next incident. Like I said earlier, I'm sure my AStream will have shakedown issues but hopefully nothing like before.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:49 AM   #25
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Mrjkq, thanks for the response. Your decision makes sense to me!
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Old 05-25-2015, 09:09 AM   #26
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Sold that 2013 I referred to after a year of use & disappointment. We washed our hands of RVing, the 40ft Motor Home we previously owned had spoiled us & the TT was junk in comparison. After rethinking our options
we decided that maybe a diesel sprinter class B might meet our needs but the idea of disconnecting everytime we went somewhere was not appealing. I wanted a smaller RV that I could easily handle, set up etc, I'm approaching my 73rd bday so that was primary along with quality, value and the best out there. Our 25 FC has all of the above, my RAM 1500 Ecodiesel & it are a good match & I'm happy! Hope tha answers your question.
I'm with you on this one. We owned a MOHO 40' DP, and it constantly slurped money with "little" things needing repairs constantly. Basically cost me a dollar a mile in repairs, and I went 22,000 miles in it......

Sold it, and like you, started looking at the small guys, sprinter MOHO's and small class-c's - but found them unappealing, worried about the quality, and they were very dark inside and not well built (unless you went unity) - but no matter what, I wasn't going to spend one penny over 100k - PERIOD.

We sort of by accident walked into an Airstream, and that was that!

I, for one, am STOKED over not having any slides. After replacing two motors, two brakes, adjusting, multiple fuses and a couple of switches plus a slide stuck out in a walmart parking lot (on a weekend) I cannot tell you how pleased I am to not have to worry about that!

Further, my wife and I are a "cozy couple" - the only thing the opposing slides in our MOHO did was put us further away from one another on opposing couches. The extra floorspace was.... not really needed.

Our 27 has, what we consider, the perfect lounge. It's a table when you want it, the perfect L shaped couch when you put the table down. And too boot, it's comfy - when compared to the new MOHO L shaped couches where the end extends.... those things are HORRIBLE to sit or lay on.

Other brands of TT's and 5th wheels just didn't do it for us. They felt just like a moho in style, i trusted the slides even less, and to be honest, most of them weren't that sexy.

I feel like my airstream is the exact right amount of very cool design, inside and out, and I absolutely love the simplicity in operation.

And sure more expensive that other TT's, but still way UNDER my rv'ing budget since I already owned the truck outright.

I also feel that it's resale value and ability to resell is good - I don't feel like it would hard to move if I decided to sell it for any reason.
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AS high price

We have a 2004 25' that We paid $32500.00 for new. I thought that was high then but I could probably get in the $25000.00 range now. It's still in good condition some still ask if it's new and with pride I tell them that it's 11 yrs old.
My wife and I have been really thinking hard about upgrading to the new classic
only things that make us pause is the size and it has a lot of motors that will fail sooner or later (sofa bed stabilizers table awning) that all would be nice to have but pricey to repair. The size is great on the inside but would limit places we could go somewhat. We were just in a park that an extra 5ft would not fit. It's a tough choice. Price is somewhat on the high side but you get what you pay for or maybe a little less Rand
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Taking a contranian view... I think that if I ever trade again, I would choose a different path... $80 to $100K+ is just a little rich for my blood for a TT... quality or not...
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