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Old 10-29-2004, 07:14 AM   #1
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Question Winter storage

I am a new owner of a Bambi 16. I have winterized the unit internally but worry about how snow/ice buildup might effect the TV antenna, air conditioner etc. I have read that putting a tarp over the roof is not a good idea since it could promote moisture problems underneath. Any ideas.

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Old 10-29-2004, 09:43 AM   #2
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I am a new owner of a Bambi 16. I have winterized the unit internally but worry about how snow/ice buildup might effect the TV antenna, air conditioner etc. I have read that putting a tarp over the roof is not a good idea since it could promote moisture problems underneath. Any ideas.

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I wouldn't worry about that. The roof and its components should not be damaged by snow or ice. Obviously getting the unit under cover is always preferable. I rented inside storage at one time and my Safari spent November through March inside.

While moisture under the tarp is an issue, you also have to remember that the movement of the tarp in the wind will also cause rub points which can pretty much cause damage to the finish of your A/S.

If you can't get the Bambi under some type of roof, my advice is to keep the unit Walbernized and inspect and maintain the roof caulking and seams. If you do that, winter's wrath will not play havoc with your new trailer.

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Old 10-29-2004, 06:14 PM   #3
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Ditto on Jack's comments. Both our Airstreams have been outside in these Chicago winters with ice and snow sitting up top. Giving it a good bath in the fall and a good Walburnize should keep it in tip top shape.

One other tip is to make sure you get the dead bugs off the front when you use the coach....that and any tree sap take off ASAP-- without chemicals!
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Don't have the link right at hand but we've beaten this to death. The aluminum sections between the ribs cannot suffer. We addressed the highest possible loads and -- no problem mon! If cold alternates with thaws the snow will slide right off the sloped roofs. Of course there's no problem if the coldest weather really sticks with you and the snow stays light.

Ice dams are unlikely. Use of the trailer (ie, using the heater) won't affect the issue. You will easily transmit enough heat through the relatively thin insulation and the mass will always slide off. The calculating and the experienced users all came to the same conclusion. Nobody has had the air conditioner and antenna push the other apart.

I personally believe our suh-weet little units will last better if we give them some cover in winter and summer (not tarps). A year of exposure won't hurt much while you make other arrangements. That's another question though....

Welcome -- a great welcome to AirstreamForums to you and your Bambi. Please come back, browse, use the 'Search' function and don't be shy!
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Old 10-30-2004, 02:04 PM   #5
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End if season for us

Sort of a sad day today. I have to work the afternoons the next two days due to a large convention here in town. I got up early and finished my Walbernize job on the Classic. Pumped in the anti-freeze and pulled it back to the storage lot where I keep it. I'll have it up at the dealer's shortly for some warranty work once the parts come in.....but that's it until next April. I don't know where the time went but as far as I'm concerned we sure didn't get out enough this year.

For those of us who shut down for the winter, its time to do those home things that you said you would do over the summer, look through the Camping World catalog, read and reread Airstream Life, and start the thoughts of what the next year brings. Just like in baseball the hot stove league starts a'burnin soon for us Airstreamers.

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Old 10-31-2004, 12:32 AM   #6
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Yea, we're about in the same place. The summer just FLEW by. It's hard to believe we've had the Safari almost a year already.

Think spring!
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End of season...not for us...hopefully.

Last weekend I winterized the AS. Emptied, by-passed, and blew out, etc.

It was a royal pain in the ass dealing with the antifreeze though. The way our CCD was put together, the intake side of the pump where I was hoping to connect the Camco hose(to go to gallon bottle of Antifreeze) from the winterizing kit, was just too close to the water tank, thus causing a kink just after the metal ferral on the hose, effectively cutting off any way for the pump to prime.

In order to move the pump, the output side of the pump and hose leading to it ned to be shortened or re-routed, and then the pump moved straight forward about 4 or 5 inches. I think the plumbing is the PEX type, and I did a search on how to undo a PEX crimp fitting, but came up empty handed.

I now firmly believe that if I were to order another trailer, no matter what brand or model, I would definately have the factory install the $18.00 Camco winterizer kit, no matter what the labor costs. In spring I will be taking the CCD in to Jackson Cneter for a laundry list of things to be corrected, and I am going to see if Service will install the winter kit.

I ended up pouring three gallons of Antifreeze in the fresh water tank,tipping the front end of trailer down as much as I could, and running pump and getting pink juice through all fawcetts. I then tried to drain out as much antifreeze from FW tank using the front drain. All drains were addressed as well.

Since we don't drink the tap water, the taste issue won't be to much of an issue for us, but I will do my best to rinse and flush everything come spring.

The water heater drain plug should be made out of brass, stainless steel, something other than nylon. I was difficult (and bloody, after slicing my favorite finger on a metal flange thingie) to remove, due to being behind a gas supply line and an interfering metal shroud above that. A crescent wrench just slips off the plug. A channel-lock worked, but a few times using that would take it's toll on the nylon.

We still plan on going out a couple of more times this year, if we can find a place that is open. The differance will be that we will use drinking water from home, which we do anyway. No shower, sink or drain usage. Sounds worse than it is, but then again, we used to camp in our VW Euro and that did not even have heat!

We will be using the AS as a heated hut with a bedroom stove and oven, and fridge for my single-malt.

Stay warm, best wishes, and great Airstream thoughts.

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End of season...not for us...hopefully.

We still plan on going out a couple of more times this year, if we can find a place that is open. The differance will be that we will use drinking water from home, which we do anyway. No shower, sink or drain usage. Sounds worse than it is, but then again, we used to camp in our VW Euro and that did not even have heat!

We will be using the AS as a heated hut with a bedroom stove and oven, and fridge for my single-malt.

Stay warm, best wishes, and great Airstream thoughts.

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Jonathan,

Take an extra bottle of antifreeze, and some additional jugs of water. Just re-winterize the P traps after you dump the tanks. I have done this a couple of times and it allowed us to use the coach facilities when necessary without having to get dressed in my middle of the night.
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Old 10-31-2004, 12:47 PM   #9
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Point well taken.

We thought about bringing a few extra water containers, so that we could possibly use the toilet, and rinse the bowl. My only concern would be if the dump station water was turned off for the season, preventing a cleaning of the black tank, though I am sure you can still do a dump thing. I supose I could do that in the spring. I just don't want to deal with this years doodies next spring!

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Jonathan,

I've done the process you describe (pouring into the fresh tank) and never found it to be that bad on either coach.

I suppose when you've done it a few times, it becomes old hat.

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Jonathan, I agree with you about the nylon water heater plug. I assume that Atwood installs it to keep a nonaluminum metal plug from interacting with the aluminum tank, which it probably would do in a waterfilled environment if left that way for months and years. However, after a frustrating experience with everything you described vis-a-vis the nylon plug, and after applying a ration of layman's logic, many years ago I went to a metal plug from Ace Hareware for relief. It works. And good! I keep a socket that fits the square plug and an old socket wrench in my storage compartment to service the plug. No problemo no mo, senior.

Now, partially to address the nonsimilar metal issue, assuming there is one, with the nonaluminum but bulletproof metal plug, I do this, which has worked for many years without problemos (pardon my Spanish): I drain my water heater tank after each trip, along with my entire water system. That way, I don't have problemos with "rotten water" when I'm ready to hit the road again. And, when I drain the water heater, I just leave the plug out until I'm ready to repressure the system again. Subsequently, when I get my water system ready for travel again, I use some Plumber's Paste from Ace (rhymes, don't it?) to do two things: a)keep any leaks away, and, (b...maybe), keep any dissimilar metal corrosion away...not sure the latter excuse necessary, but a bottle of the stuff has lasted 15 years already, so why not use it? I assume nylon tape would do the same thing, but I'm determined to use-up that bottle.

On your wintertime-use topic: If I use the rig in wintertime under freezing conditions, I don't put water in the system. I keep the system winterized and just use bottled water for drinking. Regarding sewage, I either a)use cheap windshield washer fluid antifreeze to flush the commode to keep the waste tank from freezing, or, if it's really cold, b) bring an ~ $70 self-contained commode I used for tent camping (those were the days!) and take the refuse to the campground toilets or home, whichever the case may be, for dumping there.

Good camping to you and yours.
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When we had our 19 Bambi I installed a reducer with a petcock along with a short plastic hose, so that when I drained the water heater ( after each trip) I wouldn't have to go thru that whole problem of draining. Open the heater service door, extend the hose & let it flow. Next year the wife retires & so we'll be using the Streamer for longer time periods. One of the items that concerns me is the use of an anode rod in the water heater, which I believe should be used where the plug is now installed. I know from work experiance we used to remove some of the the rods from the heaters, do to the "rotten egg" smell, but I'm also concerned regarding premature corrision tank failure. At one time I had an RV catalog which had an anode rod with a petcock opening thru the center, but alas I must have put it on my computer desk & now it's history.
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End of season...not for us...hopefully.
The way our CCD was put together, the intake side of the pump where I was hoping to connect the Camco hose(to go to gallon bottle of Antifreeze) from the winterizing kit, was just too close to the water tank, thus causing a kink just after the metal ferral on the hose, effectively cutting off any way for the pump to prime.
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I have a somewhat similar problem. I have the nice brass bypass valve assembly that I bought a couple of years ago. The assembly goes inline between the supply hose from the water tank and the pump. From there you have another outlet on the assembly which allows you to hook a hose and place it in the antifreeze bottle. You turn the valve on the assembly turn on the pump and you a sucking from the bottle.

My problem is the fresh water tank hose and pump are so close to a protruding wheel well that the valve assembly will not fit. I would have to remount the pump and move the fresh water tank line to make it work. Thankfully there was enough room, unlike you, to directly connect the antifreeze hose to the input to the water pump.

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Thank you for the info.
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