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Old 08-02-2003, 07:54 AM   #15
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Sorry here is the direct link to Andy's advice on axles http://inlandrv.com/articles/dura-torque-axle-92001.htm , tambours are the rolltop desk style storage compartment doors. As far as that Avion on Ebay goes..................Better Than Airstream ?????? ...... thats a bit of an exageration I'd say , Airstream claims 60% of all A/S ever built are still in use today , I doubt if Avion or any other brand can make that claim ! Sorry to hear that you missed out on that A/S but keep lookin there are plenty out there , as a matter of fact I just bought my second A/S this week ...its a 1974 Tradewind 25' my other A/S is a 1971 Tradewind 25' I have owned it since 1999 here is a link to some pictures of it .http://www.vintageairstream.com/arch...Tradewind.html
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Old 08-02-2003, 08:09 AM   #16
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One of the most significant differences between an Airstream and most other brands is in aerodynamic design. Because the front, side and rear profiles of the A/S are rounded, the form is inherently more wind resistant.

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They're really less wind resistant, aren't they?
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Old 08-02-2003, 08:26 AM   #17
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yes they are less wind resistant , there was an arcticle in the Vintage Advantage about this exact subject and it had a chart that showed the fuel savings . You can look through the back issues at http://www.airstream.net in the resources section of that page. I believe it was in a 2001 or 2002 issue .
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Narnian,

If you go to rvtraderonline.com you will find a nice selection of Airstreams with pics

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Old 08-02-2003, 03:02 PM   #19
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Yeah, Traderoonline is where I found the $1200 A/S.

I just went up the road (1 hour) and looked at one for $3500. 1970 Safari 23'. It was in excellent condition, except that he said there was a problem with the water heater. Water came up in the bath, but not in the sink. Personally, this sounds like a problem with a water pump, not the water heater, but I don't know the system.

Should I jump on this one, or can I find a better deal if I keep looking?

The only big downside to this trailer is that there is no AC. Can you add a roof AC without cutting anything?

I'm going to continue this with a new post. After seeing the interior of this 33 year old trailer, and comparing it with the other 20 year old trailers I've seen, I can understand the attraction of the Airstream. It's really nice inside.
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Narnian , its sounds like the sewer drain cap was left on so that it was backing up in the shower pan , I have done this myself ! What state are you in ? If you are in Michigan I might be able to locate one for you .I wouldn't let the hot water heater break a deal but rather use it as bargining power a new hotwater heater runs about $350 plus instalation.$3500 doesn't sound out of line,I would look at R.J. Dial's page here and see how it stacks up, http://www.vintageairstream.com/rr_t...condition.html , Tom
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The only big downside to this trailer is that there is no AC. Can you add a roof AC without cutting anything?
Adding an air conditioner to a post '61 Airstream coach usually isn't a particular problem - - it is easier if there is one there already, but is far from impossible. Beginning in '64 Airstream coaches were per-wired and braced for air conditioning, and by the time the 1970s rolled out the condesate drain tubes were also factory installed in the walls as part of the air conditioner installation preparation. One way that you can tell whether the preparation package is there is the existence of an extra 20-Amp circuit in the circuit breaker box - - it is there to accommodate the air conditioner. Just be prepared in a coach that doesn't have air conditioning that you will be facing having a 14" square hole cut in the roof and ceiling panels of the trailer - - Airstream did not install the air conditioner in an existing vent opening in the Vintage coaches - - rather, it was installed in a "cut-opening" at a location specified by the factory measured from the first front roof bow (the romex cable for the air conditioner will be found at this point ready for connection - - the other end should be found in the vicinity of the circuit brekaer box). Depending upon whether you want the air conditioner with condesate pan (utilizes the built-in drain system) or a less expensive standard air conditioner, you would be looking at a cost of from $750.00 to $1,250.00 for professional installation of an air conditioner. My Airstream dealer just installed a Coleman Mini Mach in my '78 Argosy Minuet for about $775.00 - - this is a standard air conditioner that does not have the condesate drain pan, and it was a new installation so the holes had to be cut in both the roof and interior panels.

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It was in excellent condition, except that he said there was a problem with the water heater. Water came up in the bath, but not in the sink. Personally, this sounds like a problem with a water pump, not the water heater, but I don't know the system.
Is is unlikely that this is a major problem. My suspicion would be a shut-off valve or low-point drain valve that needs to be closed/opened. Another possibility is a clogged aerator at the faucet spout. My '78 Argosy Minuet possessed this water supply problem when I furst purchased it, and as it turned out, it had both a clogged sediment filter at the faucet and a shut-off valve below the bath vanity cabinet that needed to be opened - - following that all use points had water.

So long as the two issues indicated are the only ones present, the coach may be a good value. If the water heater is actually faulty, the replacement cost would likely approach $750 with professional installation. You would also want to assure yourself that the refrigerator is functional (a new Dometic RV refrigerator can exceed $1,300 with installation), and that all other appliances operate to your satisfaction - - the other appliances are less costly than the refrigerator but can easily cost in excess of $500 with professional installation (Univolt, furnace, etc.).

Good luck with your search!

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And another Greetings, Narnian!

I had a '70 Safari for a number of years and it is still in the family. It's a great coach and a great size. Easy enough to pull, small enough to take anywhere, large enough to move around in and be comfortable.

If it's in nice condition, and the owner will bargain on the price a little, you can hardly go wrong.

Kevin covered the A/C issues well, and the rest of it is normal maintenance stuff to look out for. If it's all good... go for it!

Best of luck!

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The owner said he was firm on the price. According to that link you folks sent me, this trailer fits into the "average"category, Average runs between $4400 - $6000. This trailer seemed to be almost completely original, and the only flagrant problem is the plumbing. I was surprised at the good condition of the interior. To make up for the water trouble the owner is throwing in a nice weight distributing hitch for free.

I just figured out from looking at all the photos, that it must be missing the big curved window shield in the front. What should that cost?

I'm guessing from what everyone has said that it's worth the asking price. I'm keeping my eyes open for other deals, but I may go ahead and buy this trailer.
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Why is Airstream any better than the other brands?

Greetings Narnian!!

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I just figured out from looking at all the photos, that it must be missing the big curved window shield in the front. What should that cost?
The front window rock guard is helpful in preventing damage to the costly to replace "wing windows" (the small windows at either side of the center operable window). One thing that is given up once the rock guard is installed is the "see through" design feature of the coach. What this means is that if you leave the drapes on the front and rear windows open while towing, it is possible to see through the trailer using the tow vehicle's rear view mirror (assuming that the tow vehicle rides high enough to do so - - my Suburban does, my Cadillac doesn't).

Inland RV lists the front window rock guards at:

Solar Standard Airstream Front Window Rock Guard

A photo of the rock guard can be found on Inland's site at:

Airstream Front Window Rock Guard

One thing that you will want to keep in mind with this part is that the cost of shipping can quickly add up. It is of such a size that truck freight will likely be the only delivery method available, and the cost can be quite significant (my suggestion would be to get the price with shipping to avoid any unexpected surprise).

Good luck with your decision!

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You mean you can actually SEE THROUGH the trailer? That's amazing! That alone is almost reason enough to get one. My Jeeps are definately high enough to make use of that.


Is there any way to protect those side windows without blocking the view?
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Greetings Narnian!

There is a possible solution that wouldn't block the center window, but it woudln't be a "perfect fit" on the 1970 model as the part is actually made for late 1970s Argosys and 1980s Airstreams. For these trailers, Airstream produced a three-piece rock guard with wing window guards that are semi-permanently installed with a separate, operable center section. It would be possible to install the "wing window" guards separates (they would be somewhat larger than the wing windows on a 1970 coach). The photo below is of one of the Three-Piece guards on my '78 Argosy Minuet - - another possibility would be to install the entire guard and replace the "solar gray" center section with clear lexan (this is actually in my future plans for the Minuet):

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You mean you can actually SEE THROUGH the trailer? That's amazing! That alone is almost reason enough to get one. My Jeeps are definately high enough to make use of that.


Is there any way to protect those side windows without blocking the view?
Not that I know of. I towed our 23' from San Diego to Lake Co. CA years ago after I lost the original rock guard to a wind storm. I threw a rock through one of the 'wing' windows. Santa Rosa Airstream installed a replacement. After the cost and hassle (and this was in 1990), I bought a new rock guard. I'm not sure that those windows are even still available. I have been told that the supply of the windows for the '69 (a different shape from the '70) has dried up. I'm sure someone else can chime in here with updated info.

The see-through feature was wonderful, but to me, not worth the costs of that window and getting it replaced. I've never seen anything out there that would just protect the 'wing' windows.

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Narnian ,yes they do make one that you can see thru ,my 71 Tradewind has one I can look straight thru the rig and at traffic behind me , I love this feature, and will miss it on my 74 Tradewind. If you cant find one you may be able to get a fabrication shop to make one for you.Or try calling one of the Airstream bone yards.
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