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Old 08-16-2011, 12:45 PM   #15
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Bandito's... now that's funny. I think that when you are looking for routes with the fancy phones and gps devices, they are just like us... lazy by nature. "computing....computing....there follow the big read line to the next big red line... destination on right.... leave me alone, i'm talking to the stereo and your interupting me.....LOOK OVER THERE, A SHINNY SHOPPING CENTER!"
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:08 PM   #16
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My Garmin tries to get me to take the freeway when I cross the street.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:48 PM   #17
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Lost by GPS is quickly becoming a police search term for people calling for help on backwoods forrest roads and blindly following the GPS on the dash and not the view out the window.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:06 PM   #18
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Misdirected by GPS is pretty common up here. We have two roads coming in from the south: One of them is paved, but very narrow (no center stripe), and the other is a dirt road. Even though we warn people to avoid both, I can't even enumerate the people with big rigs who wind up going on one or the other of those two.


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Old 08-16-2011, 04:37 PM   #19
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Banditos? In a previous life I used to ride my murdersickle with some scooter enthusiasts called the Banditos....


and as for getting lost with a GPS, some people should have to at least take a written test before being allowed to even buy one.

I'm typically only good for an hour or two at most on a freeway, and it has nothing to do with GPS or no GPS. I'll just get fed up with that kind of travel, and take a likely looking exit and navigate by compass heading if I have to. I would rather take a few hours longer on an interesting road than get there quicker on the concrete. Strangely enough, I've never been anywhere close to being physically lost in my life, anywhere on earth.

But then I'm a navigator. I have a right to know where I am.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:47 PM   #20
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But then I'm a navigator. I have a right to know where I am.
During my early flying years, the two worst cases of fellow pilots getting lost were two retread navigators. The first got lost flying a T-6 15 miles in the bootheel of Missouri to an auxiliary field with 3 parallel canals to guide him. The other took off from Waco on his first jet solo in a T-33 and ended up somewhere over the Gulf near Houston. We came to the conclusion that navigators never look out the window.
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:17 AM   #21
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Banditos? In a previous life I used to ride my murdersickle with some scooter enthusiasts called the Banditos....
now THIS i find extremely interesting! how does one go from riding with that bunch, to cussing mapquest and dragging a toaster around the country!?! that really seems like some big worlds apart amigo
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and i have no idea how i drew a line through that quote...stupid computer!
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:37 AM   #23
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Most map services appear to default to Interstate. Good, as it keeps the dummies on the safest roads. Since the dummies don't buy a quality paper road atlas (Rand-McNally Motor Carriers Road Atlas), they can't check their routing via several different maps given, and just applying a straight edge to the points in question to see what roads are available.

287 from D/FW to Denver via IH-25 at Raton, NM is the route everyone has used since the Interstate opened in the mid-1960's. I prefer 287-N to pickup IH-70 east of Denver for some trips.

There are other non-Interstate routes available, and the advantage of knowing what roads are designed for trucks are the routes with: best signage, heavy-duty wide shoulders, better traffic control devices, etc.

Other days one may wish to avoid commercial traffic, and this atlas is equally handy.

The Interstate-only route through Kansas to Denver from D/FW is not much longer, and just about as fast. But not nearly so pretty.

About all a GPS unit is good for -- once planning has been done on paper -- is to alert one to turns/exits and a rough estimation of time (given that one can duplicate on it that paper routing plan). I like using them in business, but the shortcomings are large.

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Old 08-17-2011, 10:43 AM   #24
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On our road trip across the country

We have found our Garmin (New one in March of this year) to be wrong many times.....frequently it does not know where the campgrounds we are located.....in Ogden, Utah it took us on the other side of the freeway down a dead end. When we mention to the campground clerks, they usually respond that they know that Garmin is incorrect but apparently they have not bothered to try to correct it.....

I use a map along with the Garmin always.......we programmed in for an AT&T store and it took us into a residential neighborhood to a cul de sac...go figure......

About the non interstate roads...we have found that they are a great alternative to the rough semi truck populated interstates....so far Indiana has had the roughest roads.....we loved Highway 50 from Pueblo to Dodge City, Kansas...also Highway 20 in upper Ohio instead of the tollway...but sometimes we just have to take the interstates....no good alternatives. Seems like all the roads in the US are being rebuilt...road construction everywhere.....we certainly have a huge beautiful country......love seeing it with our SteSpot. paula
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:58 AM   #25
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The GPS is a great tool in the hands of someone who knows what they are and what they do. I do. I was working with the folks who developed the differential method of getting around the P code way back when. The underwater tracking and navigation system I was responsible for absolutely had to work with surface navigation systems. It's important to go blow the right things up underwater. It's also important to be able to get back to things lost underwater with a minimum amount of fuss and without a lot of wasted effort. and things like that.

I've had to work with just about everything since Loran.
I like paper charts, myself. But I really appreciate the GPS telling me I have a turn coming up and I don't have to have a book open on the steering wheel in front of me.

This one also came with automatic updates for life. Books don't do that. Books lag behind current construction by years. It's all got to wait until the next printing.

It also monitors radio and gives me traffic alerts if there is a tie up.
Books don't do that either.

I agree with using the tools together.

But the initial question here was not about GPS, remember. It was why Good Sam wants me to go through Kansas. Nothing to do with a navigation system.
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I guess a lot of people have trouble reading maps or don't have a good sense of direction. My mother loved geography and I learned a lot from her. My father could get lost in our neighborhood. When we took road trips, pretty soon I was planning the trips and my mother and I had to be alert because my father tried to make a wrong turn several times a day.

So, I am very comfortable with maps and books. I have been training my wife to read maps for 25 years and she has gotten a lot better, but she didn't learn it as a kid.

But lots of people need something that will tell them, step by step, how to go somewhere. Thus, the GPS things. The companies that make these things are competing for low prices and reasonable good performance, so more elaborate units and up to date info costs a lot more, so many end up with moderately useful units. And there is clearly a judgment that most people want to stay on interstates, so they are programmed that way. People are so used to expressways, they don't want to drive on two laners—they never learned how to pass slow vehicles either.

I prefer maps—I can see where everything is and look for interesting routes, fast routes, slow routes, get ideas for side trips. I think the GPS things promote a narrow view of the world and discourage knowledge of geography. Maps are portable and come into the trailer to plan ahead. GPS stays in a truck. Maps are cheap and a basic AAA memberships gets you all the maps you want, Campground and Tour Books, but for towing, they are not so good with all their limits. I can plan for days ahead in the trailer with those books, maps, Woodalls, and when we have wifi, use RV Park Reviews and find where stores are, then print from the laptop that info. I see no need for a GPS unit, although you don't have to learn how to fold them.

But, Gringo, Good Sam wants you to go through Kansas because it is not very smart and makes judgments based on assumptions of what the average driver wants. No one would accuse you of being average. Among other things, you can read a map. Many people cannot and that says something about the quality of geography education.

Get out the western US map, draw a line from Dallas to Ratón, NM, and that's the way to go—we've done it lots of times. Or you can go north through the Okla. panhandle to Lamar and then take US 50 west to Pueblo and I-25 north, or keep going north to I-70. A map will tell you the way and the exact route numbers. But that's what you did.

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Even the old MOBIL TripTik custom-printed booklet was more useful in determining alternate routing (if we're going to speak of map service suggestions).

Where dashboard GPS units ought to shine is in displaying altitude changes, political domains, etc. Not just turns or exits or ETA.
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Old 08-17-2011, 12:39 PM   #28
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Well said, Gene

I couldn't agree with you more, Gene. I am lost without a map.....it tells me so much more than a GPS......it shows what is around you......and can tell you if Garmin is being lame......

Garmin can be helpful in finding the nearest Costco or Trader Joes if we are lucky enough to have one nearby....it can also be helpful in telling you in which lane to be in for the next turn.....it is a tool not the be all end all device.....paula
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