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Old 08-26-2015, 11:58 AM   #617
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James and Rebecca - You are right, of course... and thanks for the reminder and your family's service. Also, we all "earned" the right to, whenever the flag passes by or the National Anthem is played or the Pledge is said, render a hand salute to the colors (instead of the hand over the heart.)

This is something Congress authorized in 2008 and yet few people know. One thing in the Congressional committee hearing reports as to "why" allowing veterans to salute was that, at a public gathering those who rendered the hand salute even though in civilian clothes would be readily recognizable to their fellow citizens as VETERANS. So, you earned it and in rendering the hand salute you are saying to other veterans "I'm one of you."

See Rules for Rendering Hand Salute of U.S. Flag - Military Benefits - Military.com

(Hope you find that AS soon!)
I didn't know. Thank you James & Rebecca!
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Old 08-26-2015, 12:08 PM   #618
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Yankee games at home, 7th inning stretch, Kate Smith, "God Bless America" is treated like the National Anthem, nice tune but no need to salute.

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Old 08-27-2015, 08:19 AM   #619
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Hi BScott. I was Army 1973-1993. Thailand 74-75. Korea 79-80. We may have crossed paths. I was a "Hog" O5H at the time. Salute!!
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Old 08-27-2015, 12:24 PM   #620
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Yankee games at home, 7th inning stretch, Kate Smith, "God Bless America" is treated like the National Anthem, nice tune but no need to salute.

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I'm not sure I understand you. Did you think that we were supposed to Salute during "God Bless America"? It's a GREAT song, I like it MUCH better than our National Anthem and I wish they would make it our National Anthem, but I do not believe that there is a policy for salute during it. There won't be a policy for salute unless they make it our National Anthem.

But if you know something we don't, I'm listening.

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I'm not sure I understand you. Did you think that we were supposed to Salute during "God Bless America"? It's a GREAT song, I like it MUCH better than our National Anthem and I wish they would make it our National Anthem, but I do not believe that there is a policy for salute during it. There won't be a policy for salute unless they make it our National Anthem.

But if you know something we don't, I'm listening.
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..your not supposed to, but the clueless do

My vote for a GREAT song......I'm perfectly happy with our NA.

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Old 08-28-2015, 01:24 PM   #622
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..your not supposed to, but the clueless do

My vote for a GREAT song......I'm perfectly happy with our NA.

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Sometimes the graying heads do, just out of confusion. I was at WDW in Orlando and the Main Street band started playing God Bless America. The day was sunny and perfect, the band was wonderful and suddenly I felt so patriotic, so I saluted. Then they played the Star Spangled Banner and I had that Homer Simpson "D'oh!" moment.

So maybe not clueless but confused
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Is it such a bad thing if ones salutes during the singing of God Bless America. It sure as heck better then burning or walking on our Flag.
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Is it such a bad thing if ones salutes during the singing of God Bless America. It sure as heck better then burning or walking on our Flag.
No, not a bad thing, just not normally done. Burning the flag is how a flag is retired, but I know you mean burning as disrespecting our country.
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I did mean in disrespecting our flag. As to retiring our Flag burning is one way of retiring the Flag, however, it is acceptable to bury the Flag in lieu of burning.
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I did mean in disrespecting our flag. As to retiring our Flag burning is one way of retiring the Flag, however, it is acceptable to bury the Flag in lieu of burning.
Do you have a resource for that? The U.S. flag code 8-K says "The flag, when it is in such a condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning".

Since code 8-B says "The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise" I am pretty sure you cannot bury it. Besides, 8-K clearly states "destroyed".

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8
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There is a lot on the web regarding how to properly retire the American Flag. As the code states preferred method is to burn it, but if you are unable to burn the flag as a means of disposal, burying the flag is also acceptable. To do so in a respectful manner, it is required that you begin by folding the traditional triangle fold (see link above) and place it in a sturdy wooden box before burial. After burying the flag, you may wish to indicate the burial location with a small marker of some sort, preferably of wood or stone to give it some degree of permanence. I took this from the Lady Liberty Flag site ( there are others that also address burying the flag) as it was the most definitive on how to do it. There are other sites that give a number of other options to include recyling the Flag.

Bottom line to me is if you retire a flag do it with dignity.
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To properly dispose of a flag you can usually give it to your local fire department or Boy Scout Troop. Both have formal flag disposal events.
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Yes! Please bring your flags to your local Boy Scout Troop! Flags are retired regularly by Boy Scouts in a very dignified ceremony. I was in Boy Scouting for 20 years, I spent the last four years as an Asst Scoutmaster and Camp Commissioner. During Summer Camps, American Flags are retired at every Friday Campfire before Scouts retire for the evening. It's a very moving ceremony, and Veterans are called to stand on stage.

San Diego has a Scout camp in the city, Camp Balboa, where Cub Scout Day Camps are held all summer, only cotton flags can be retired there. But in the Mountains at Camp Mataguay, both nylon and cotton flags can be retired. During off season, a supply of flags to be retired are kept at each camp, so that Boy Scout Troops and Cub Scout Packs may retire them in ceremony during their stay at camp. I imagine that this is the same in every Boy Scout Council.
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I did mean in disrespecting our flag. As to retiring our Flag burning is one way of retiring the Flag, however, it is acceptable to bury the Flag in lieu of burning.
There are three ways to retire an American Flag, all three require burning.

I did do some searching to see if burying was an answer. The closest I could come was, anything was ok as long as it was dignified. I really struggle with burial being acceptable I guess. I won't even be buried, I'm going to be cremated like my father before me. I like the idea of Old Glory's ashes able to fly free on the wind, just like our wild and free American Spirit.
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