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Old 10-29-2017, 08:38 PM   #15
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Umm...after pulling a 25FB with a Tundra for 2000 miles on interstates with significant truck traffic in last 10 days; I experienced no difficulties with steep hills, and found the truck fully up to the task. It was a great pleasure to drive.
I agree. I just got back from a long trip of over 2000 miles with my 4.6L Tundra and I had no control issues with using my Equilizer hitch. I did wish I had a little more power in the western hills, but with the bigger engine, you will be just fine!
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Old 10-29-2017, 08:56 PM   #16
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Hi. My family and I are close to upgrading from a Heartland Mallard M245, and to an Airstream Flying Cloud 30FB. There's about a 1k pound based weight increase (5600 lbs to 6500 lbs), and an increase in tongue weight from (610 lbs to 908 on the AS). More worries about the tongue weight.

We had purchased a 2017 Toyota Tundra CrewMax 5.7 TRD that handled the Mallard with zero issues. The max tow capacity listed on our Tundra model is 9800 lbs, and I think the AS 30FB is still probably ok to pull with the correct leveling hitch and airbags added to suspension to help on tongue weight, but wanted to see if others have had experience in this area, and think our Tundra is capable (and safe), or if we should seriously consider upgrading the tow vehicle.

From what I looked up in our Toyota manual, the GCWR is 15,220 lbs. With stuff in the AS, I'm guessing we'd likely be closer to 7200..ish lbs after putting stuff in it, and with all of us in the Truck (and our stuff) guessing that would come in at around 6300 lbs. That leaves roughly 2k lbs on overall weight to spare.

Anyways, just wanted to get others thoughts on this.. and from anyone else that was looking to do the same thing in a Tundra. Appreciate the feedback. We're super excited to be looking at AS's. After only one season camping in Colorado with the Mallard, we learned what we liked and didn't. The Flying Cloud 30FB has an awesome setup with our two small boys (they love the bunks in there). Oh, BTW, we are not planning on living in this camper. Plan is weekends, and 1 or 2 bigger 10 day trips across the country. Colorado to Disney World might be one

Thanks again.
May I suggest that you re-visit those weights again.
MY 2016 30' FC lists at a basic weight of 6382 lbs. dry. with full LP, empty water tanks, and no add-on options.
The GROSS weight is 8800 lbs.
I generally tow mine at around 7800-8300 lbs. (depending) for the two of us, with full, or almost full fresh water. I do have awnings all around, and full propane.
My 2015 F-150, Ecobeast handles it quite well.
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Old 10-29-2017, 09:08 PM   #17
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Hi. My family and I are close to upgrading from a Heartland Mallard M245, and to an Airstream Flying Cloud 30FB. There's about a 1k pound based weight increase (5600 lbs to 6500 lbs), and an increase in tongue weight from (610 lbs to 908 on the AS). More worries about the tongue weight.

We had purchased a 2017 Toyota Tundra CrewMax 5.7 TRD that handled the Mallard with zero issues. The max tow capacity listed on our Tundra model is 9800 lbs, and I think the AS 30FB is still probably ok to pull with the correct leveling hitch and airbags added to suspension to help on tongue weight, but wanted to see if others have had experience in this area, and think our Tundra is capable (and safe), or if we should seriously consider upgrading the tow vehicle.

From what I looked up in our Toyota manual, the GCWR is 15,220 lbs. With stuff in the AS, I'm guessing we'd likely be closer to 7200..ish lbs after putting stuff in it, and with all of us in the Truck (and our stuff) guessing that would come in at around 6300 lbs. That leaves roughly 2k lbs on overall weight to spare.

Anyways, just wanted to get others thoughts on this.. and from anyone else that was looking to do the same thing in a Tundra. Appreciate the feedback. We're super excited to be looking at AS's. After only one season camping in Colorado with the Mallard, we learned what we liked and didn't. The Flying Cloud 30FB has an awesome setup with our two small boys (they love the bunks in there). Oh, BTW, we are not planning on living in this camper. Plan is weekends, and 1 or 2 bigger 10 day trips across the country. Colorado to Disney World might be one

Thanks again.
I can guarantee that you'd be happier with a 3/4 ton diesel with air leveling rear suspension...ie RAM 2500. An Equalizer WSD and Sway Control hitch with the correct bars combined with the brake saving diesel exhaust brake make for perfect towing. The 3/4 ton truck's cargo capacity is practically limitless for our needs.

That being said, I see plenty of happy folks towing Airstreams with Tundras. Not sure that I've seen them paired with 30 footers. Be aware that there are plenty of half ton trucks with powerful engines i.e.: RAM 1500s with the 5.7L Hemi that charge up steep hills but can be less than ideal decending with heavy trailer and cargo loads.
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Old 10-30-2017, 08:03 AM   #18
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The Tundra will handle the heavier Airstream easier due to the suspension and aerodynamics and get 2 more mpg while doing it.
I had a lighter Forest River Wildwood 28RLSS before the Classic 30 and the Classic 30, although approximately 1,000# heavier tows better/easier behind my Tundra CrewMax Limited.
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Old 11-02-2017, 04:41 PM   #19
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Appreciate the feedback. I've decided for now to see how the Equalizer WD hitch handles the load of the 30FB, and go from there. I watched a super helpful video that someone sent out on airbags vs WD hitches to level the truck. It was very clear that the WD is essential to move the weight to safe place, and the airbags are really just meant to lift up the truck to a more comfortable driving position. Would you say it would be smart for us to explore (both) the WD hitch as well as the airbags as a best overall solution? Seems to me that using both would help quite a bit (with proper setup).
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WD vs. Air Bag Suspension Helpers

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... I've decided for now to see how the Equalizer WD hitch handles the load of the 30FB, and go from there. I watched a super helpful video that someone sent out on airbags vs WD hitches to level the truck. It was very clear that the WD is essential to move the weight to safe place, and the airbags are really just meant to lift up the truck to a more comfortable driving position. Would you say it would be smart for us to explore (both) the WD hitch as well as the airbags as a best overall solution? Seems to me that using both would help quite a bit (with proper setup).
If you go back to the video and read the comments the replies from Thomas H at Fastway Trailer to a couple of the questions answers that it was OK to use both - but use the WD system first to distribute the weight to the TV front axle and to the trailer axles and to get the rig as level as possible. Then use the air bags (if you wish to raise the rear of the TV the small amount to get it level. However, be careful not to get the tongue of your trailer higher than the rear bumper of the trailer as this is unstable. The WD is vital and the airbags are mostly aesthetic.

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Old 11-02-2017, 05:45 PM   #21
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Ok. Makes sense. To your point, I was never looking at the airbags as doing anything to help with the load.... rather to help put the truck in a better position (I guess visually), but before I put out this post, I didn't realize that the air bags were "mostly" a visual enhancement. I was a bit confused in my understanding, and thought they may also assist in the overall towing "safety" (more so than just looks). Sounds like that's not really the case... which I'm glad I know now. Thanks again for the info. If we're not super happy with the position of the truck/bed after attaching the Equalizer hitch (and driving with it a bit), we may go back and consider the airbags for the purpose mentioned.
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Old 11-02-2017, 06:33 PM   #22
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I'll chime in with my anecdotal evidence, not scientific.
I have a 2015 Tundra 5.7 with the "Double Cab". 6.5' bed.
I towed my Airstream 26U 1400 miles last week. Mostly flat, but some hills in South Carolina.
My hitch is an Equalizer 1000.
I was alone if you don't count Molly, at 75#.
My Tundra is also my daily driver, so a TV that I need a stepladder to get in is not in my future.

The Tundra pulled like a dream. I never had a wiggle or a twitch.
I tried to stay at 65 mph, and so semis blew past me, with not a single white knuckle event.
Actually, in "Tow/Haul" mode I put the cruise control on for long stretches. Cruise does not help in the "hills" because as the rpm rises to 4000, it kicks it out of cruise, and I like that. In manual, I can coast up and down with a bit of loss of speed keeping the rpm rarely over 2300.
My brake controller is a Tekonsha P-3 that I installed myself, it's a no brainer as the Tundra is already pre-wired.
I have the brake controller set to 7 and I might bump it up one on the next trip. Otherwise, it performed flawlessly. (No panic stops though).
This week, I'm going to add one more washer to the Equalizer rivet. With the addition of my generator and a couple gas cans, I could use a bit more transfer to the front.
I averaged 11.7 MPG for the 1400 miles towing.
Returning, I drove 650 miles straight through, not tired, not tense. I didn't plan to do that, but a night at a KOA in Starke, Fl. didn't appeal.
I was very pleased.
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