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Old 01-04-2003, 08:04 PM   #29
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Greetings Larry!

RE: Fuel Economy 7400 Vortec/4.10 Differentials/4-wheel drive

My '99 Suburban has the 45-gallon factory fuel tank and I have never really felt that I needed more capacity regardless of my travel destination or area.

I generally limit my towing speed to 55-MPH, and with my 6,000 pound '64 Overlander will typically average about 12 MPG utilizing overdrive. If the transmission begins "hunting", I then shift to direct drive until the highway levels out. My lowest towing mileage was for a tank crossing the Continental Dvide via the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado - - that tank full was 9.5 MPG and I was still maintaining nearly 55 MPH throughout much of the pull.

For day-to-day driving, the Suburban averages 14 MPG - - to and from work 8-miles each direction over lightly traveled secondary highways- - no expressway driving. On longer solo trips on the Interstate, the Suburban averages nearly 15 to as much as 16 MPG at a constant 65 MPH.

Whether towing or driving solo, I usually get the Suburban up to a comfortable speed and set the cruise control avoiding frequent changes in speed. My fuel mileage data covers almost 99,000 miles utilzing only premium grades of Mobil or Citgo fuels. The transmission is serviced every 30,000 miles and the rest of the maintenance is by the book utilzing the severe use schedule.

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Old 01-04-2003, 08:04 PM   #30
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Wow,

A retired dude who listens to Metallica. If you don't mind me asking, John from Florida, how old are you? The Doobie Brothers, maybe, but Metallica?

I have a few Iron Maiden cd's I carry just for those all-niters.

"Run for the hills!!"

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Old 01-04-2003, 08:20 PM   #31
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I'm 44

Not too old!!!!

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Old 01-04-2003, 10:38 PM   #32
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Wow,

A retired dude who listens to Metallica. If you don't mind me asking, John from Florida, how old are you? The Doobie Brothers, maybe, but Metallica?

I have a few Iron Maiden cd's I carry just for those all-niters.

"Run for the hills!!"

Chas
how about white zombie instead!

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p.s. i'm only 41, still working though.....
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Old 01-05-2003, 10:14 AM   #33
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New Pricing

Before you buy a recent-year used AS, look at new. List prices on new are meaningless. My 03 Safari LS listed for $40,400, Ace Fogdall wanted $35,000, while Bates RV in FL sold it to us for $30,400. This is right in the neighborhood of the asking prices I found for 1-3 year old units. Your mileage may vary...

The "LS" version of the Safari has many of the Classic's features, at less cost and weight. Classic woodwork is much better though.

If your Mountaineer is the current model (2002-2003) with independant rear suspension you may find that it tows a Safari just fine. You might try it before deciding on a new truck. An older model Mountaineer, or plans for lots of mountain trips, suggest a larger vehicle.
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Old 01-05-2003, 10:57 AM   #34
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Smile Congrats!

Dan,

Awesome savings!!!

Could you share the "LS" features that have been added?

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Old 01-05-2003, 05:07 PM   #35
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Thanks for the info, Dan.

As I've started adding up the costs for new Suburbans with the cost of the trailer, the smaller Safari still looks interesting as it could be pulled by the new Explorer/Mountaineer with a 7000 capacity.

There's not much info on the LS options in the Airstream brochure, nor on their website, so anything you could add on the features would be appreciated.

The new AS brochure shows the new International series at 8' wide and seemingly less weight... maybe that becomes another option when the 28' comes out. Again, nothing on the Airstream site that I could find.

Thanks also for the price info. It helps to shop around!
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Old 01-06-2003, 10:56 AM   #36
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LS Features

Some of the Safari LS features are listed on Airstreams website, others are not disclosed anywhere. I'm not sure I know all the features - but here is what I can recall:

- electric tongue jack
- A/C with heat pump & electronic thermostat to control furnace, A/C, and heat
- Corian counter in kitchen and bath instead of formica
- Moen residential faucet in kitchen, including built-in drinking water filter
- Moen residential fixtures for bathroom sink and shower
- spare tire and bracket
- black-water tank flush system
- cast traillights
- fantastic fan w/thermostat control and rain sensor closing device
- larger water pump
- an aluminum guard on the screen door to protect the screen

IMHO the electric jack, heat pump, spare tire, fantastic fan, and flush system are valuable additions - the rest are fluff.

The LS package lists for ~$4,000, which is ridiculous. Again, ignore list prices! I could have purchased a new 2003 25' Safari without the LS package from Paul Sherry RV in Ohio for $30,200, or the one I bought from Bates RV near Tampa FL with LS for $30,400 - the LS package is well worth $200 (but not $4,000)!

Towing the 25' with a 2002 Explorer works fine. I got 11-14 mpg towing it from FL to WI, with 11 mpg in the hills between Atlanta and Nashville. I saw 13-14 mpg in the flats of FL where I went 55 mph in fifth gear. High mountains would be slow going.

The Explorer may not handle a 28' trailer though. A 28' International trailer may be quite a bit more expensive than a Safari (??), but the current 22' Internationals are light weight with a GVWR of only 5000 lbs - which would be a good match for the Explorer.
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Thanks for the helpful information, Dan. After sending the last note I found the LS package info on the web site.

I've written Airstream for details on the timing and specifications for the coming 28' International, as it might be lighter than the 28' Classic.

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1/17/03 UPDATE: 28' goes into production in April 2003; GVWR is 8600lb per the info sheet from Airstream, which is the same as the Classic. Retail base price will be $50,525.

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