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Old 05-04-2004, 07:22 AM   #15
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Unhappy axles -- oooooh!

Hey Ingrid,

The axle story is painful! A complete kit that includes brakes is $800 per axle, and we both have two axles. Then there's installation, so I assume this is a 2 thousand dollar job. My husband is handy but he is unwilling to undertake this, so we are going to "allow" our local AS dealer to install them.

I have been reading these posts for about a year, and I decided that whatever Andy of Inland RV says to do, I will do. And Andy says that the Airstream is designed to ride on a cushion so I will give mine back its cushion.

On the way home, the coach was bouncing so hard that the plastic ring that sits under both the toilet lid and seat flew off and wound up at the kitchen area. THAT is a lot of bouncing!

I already love it too much to beat it up!

I am picking up my pictures tonight and will scan some in and post them.

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Old 05-04-2004, 12:43 PM   #16
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yikes.

Well, with trailers this old, there's bound to be wear and tear...we're prepared for the axle question, but...yikes! We figure it will be sitting in our driveway for quite a while before we can use it...I wonder what AS dealer in the Wisconsin area could help us with that if it's a problem? Or if my husband can do it. How do you check for axle problems? Maybe I can ask the owner to do some looking into it for me.

looking forward to pictures!

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Old 05-04-2004, 02:01 PM   #17
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yikes.

Well, with trailers this old, there's bound to be wear and tear...we're prepared for the axle question,

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Ingrid,
Looking at your pictures tells me that the axles will need attention, but i do believe that you can shlep your Airstream home like this, just make sure you get tires put on and the bearings packed, as well as the brakes checked. Looks like someone already put on new rear lights, looks recent.
To pack the bearings takes about onehour per wheel, dooing it the right way with cleaning the beairngs and repacking everything.
You'll need a jack, some wheel bearing grease, latex gloves and 5 cans of brake cleaner. A little tub helps, too.
You might go armed with new grease seals. Doing the bearings is not very hard at all, just messy.
Once you get the trailer home saafely, then you can start saving for axles. As it is, even with poor axles, you can at least do short trips, driving carefully, and start enjoying the trailer.
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Old 05-04-2004, 03:24 PM   #18
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UWE, Isn't there more to say about jacking these rigs? I know Andy says something about putting a board or plate 15" from somewhere. When we get our axles put on I plan on asking the AS dealer service person to show me EXACTLY where it is safe to jack. The only service on wheels I am comfortable with doing myself is wheel bearing packing, also I guess there might be a tire to change once in a while.

There was just a thread about someone having some damage to the skin after getting new tires; I would also want to be able to show a tire place where to lift.

I went under my Tradwind to look at the torsion arms and laid there (sobbing) for a minute or two, so while the tears were drying I tried to see where I would put a jack and I came out with no idea. When I look under a car I can figure out where the jack rests but not so with the Tradewind.
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Hello penguin,
There is a strong piece of steel visible between the wheels. It is called the Axle Mounting Plate.
That, and only that is where you can jack up an Airstream like yours.
In Airstream lingo, jacking is different from supporting, which is different from leveling.
Jacking up means bringing the wheel (s) off the ground
Supporting or stabilizing is using jacks or bult in stabilizers to keep the trailer from moving when you walk around in it. This is NOT leveling the trailer!
leveling is done by means of using blocks under the wheels and or tongue jack to make the trailer level ( inportant for proper refrigerator function).
So, to jack up the trailer, put your bottle jack or floor jack between the wheels, on teh steel plate that is visible between the wheels. Look at the wheel picture in this thread above, you can clearly see the rust-spotted axle mounting plate between the wheels.
There is room behind the rear axle, to put safety jacks on the axle mounting plate, once the rear wheel is removed.
If you want to replace axles, you can drive a set of wheels on a block, and have one axle suspended in mid air. Than change the axle, and do the same for replacement of the other axle.
To do bearing service, you can do the same thing.
Just don't try and lift up your trailer on the frame in the rear or anywhere but the axle mounting plates.
I speak from experience and had the bulge in the side of the skin to proof it!
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:50 PM   #20
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Penguin & Pinkflamingos,

You CAN replace your axles yourself. Other than being heavy, they are a snap to replace. Replaced the ones on my 73 31' Int'l in about 3.5 hours at the storage lot I keep it at! The biggest issue is having a couple of jacks to maneuver the axles around. They are unweildy and very heavy. There are only 4 bolts per axle holding them on (comes with new mounting hardware). The biggest time saver is to start spraying the rusty nuts and bolts NOW. I also smacked the head of the bolt, and the side of the nut after spraying to help knock things loose. I did this once a week for about three weeks leading up to the install and glad I did. They came right off! Axles are the single biggest improvement I made to the trailer. I used to pop interior rivets bringing it back from the strage lot to my house to work on it (1.5mi one way). Since replacement and 3K miles of towing later, I haven't popped a single one! My last trip to WV from Dallas I accidentally left a ceramic toothbrush holder on the bathroom counter. It was still there when I got home! 'Nuff said!

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Old 05-04-2004, 05:54 PM   #21
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is this the place? Sorry if I"m being obtuse; I dont see where else you could mean, but...I think Penguin understands my anxieties, being new to this...
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:58 PM   #22
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A rule of thumb about axles is that if you can see the top of the wheel rim below the wheel cutout the axle is good.Using that as a guide I would say your axles are good.The best way is to look under the trailer and look at the angle of the axle trailing arm.If the arm is level or above level on an unloaded trailer the axle should be replaced.The spring of this unit is only rubber and thirty year old rubber can be quite hard.If they are bad I would reccommend getting the axles replaced before towing the trailer half way accross the country.You will need to get the brakes,tires,bearings,battery,wiring,and break-away switch looked at before towing this unit and that is alot of labor that would be included in an axle replacement , cheaper in the long run.Another option is to have one of the interstate vehicle movers deliver the trailer.Also check out threads for Dexter axles, they cost about one third as much as the Henscens.
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Pink Flamingo-check out all the pink flamingo stuff that is available! I even got a catalogue in the mail today with neon pink flamingoes and neon palm trees on the cover.!! There are palm tree sheets, shower curtains- what fun! Retro and aluminum and chrome are in. Start visualizing the inside arrangement and checking all the equipment. My first move was to get 8 pink plastic flamingoes to put in my wildscape area! It cheered me up while waiting for the trailer to arrive. Check out Tin Hut's decor- it's really great (except for the, ahh, umm, picture in the bath )silver suz
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Looking at your photos I noticed that you will have to rebuild the aft compartment door. I am in the same boat with my trailer and hope to get a new thread going asking for as many detail photos as possible of that door so I can build a proper one.
As this door was not original to my trailer I may just eliminate it.
It looks like you will be doing some floor repair.Remember that the floor is an important structural element in the Airstream and it must be in good shape.If the rot is not everywhere it can easily be repaired with epoxy.
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Old 05-04-2004, 09:16 PM   #25
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Thank you, UWE. I was crawling around under my Trade Wind earlier this evening and noted the spot you describe for jacking.

And Greg 176, I am now a believer that seeing the distance between the top of the wheel and the wheel well is NOT a true predictor of axle health. In the photos of my Trade Wind, there are about 4-5 inches of tire showing. But those torsion arms are pointing at the sky! I think crawling underneath and admiring your trailer or trailer-to-be's belly is the way to tell.

That is just my experience with one trailer!

I am still not willing to put those axles on. Nor is my husband. So to the dealer we will go. The parts guy at my dealer (Out-of-Doors Mart in NC) wanted me to get the numbers off the tags on the axles for him. I found the tags this evening but they are as uniformly rusted as the rest of the axles. I hope he can order the axles using the VIN; that is what Andy asks for on HIS order blank, so it must be OK, right?

Pink Flamingoes, I got this avatar but I still can't figure out how to upload the pix so ... maybe tomorrow! Anyhow I want you to notice that there are two penguins looking out the window of the coach! It is a tiny photo and hard to see.

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Pink Flamingo-check out all the pink flamingo stuff that is available! I even got a catalogue in the mail today with neon pink flamingoes and neon palm trees on the cover.!!
What's the name of the catalog? I doubt I'll do Pink Flamingo decor, it's more of an inside joke with some friends of mine who won't leave me alone about my theories of what every person should have in their garden. BUT, I do like them, collect them to a small degree (and I love those gnomes with red hats!) and I'm planning to put some in my trailer somehow. Send on the catalog name!

I like the way Tin Hut did his, it's Pink Flamingoes/Parrots in sort of a Jimmy Buffett spirit, but not overdone. What scares me is his avatar! Is that really him?
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Pink Flamingoes, I got this avatar but I still can't figure out how to upload the pix so ... maybe tomorrow! Anyhow I want you to notice that there are two penguins looking out the window of the coach! It is a tiny photo and hard to see.
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I think Handy Hubby can do the axle/wheels/tires, and I can just bring him beers when he bangs his finger. I'll be here at home, updating on everything he tells me on the phone from Wisconsin. I'm going to make him go the safe route and crawl underneath and eyeball the axles. Can't hurt, and we'll probably have to replace them anyway...but that's why we didn't want to pay over $2k for the trailer...replacing stuff.

Penguin, go to www.airstreamphotos.com and post your pictures there. I think if you're registered at this site you're automatically registered there too. I had to do a little fiddling to get them uploaded, but I figured it out eventually.

To put a picture in one of these posts is different, before you submit the post, click on "manage attachments" and find the picture on your computer...then after uploading, the photo will show up in this post window. If you don't see "manage attachments", click on "go advanced" and you can get to that.

I squinted and squinted at your avatar, all I see is a really cool tradewind! You should start looking for penguin decor! How'd you get to that name anyway?
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It looks like you will be doing some floor repair.Remember that the floor is an important structural element in the Airstream and it must be in good shape.If the rot is not everywhere it can easily be repaired with epoxy.
In my home remodeling experience, most floor rot (all rot, really...) is more extensive than you ever think or hope. We're planning on gutting the trailer, keeping appliances if they are in decent shape and work OK, but the rest, we're tossing and starting all the way over, even if that means a new floor. That means tearing off the vinyl stuff on the walls down to the aluminum, new custom cabinetry and furniture/beds/benches etc, even redoing wiring/plumbing all that good stuff if needed.

My question: do you have to pull the whole shell off to replace the floor (meaning subfloor?) We want to put in a plywood floor and maybe pergo over the top of that. We probably want to insulate under the floor too.

I am going to post another picture of some damage...what's the part called, and how hard is it to fix?
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