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10-04-2016, 12:03 PM
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#141
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Posse, there are Jeep GC rated to tow over twice the 3500 its you mentioned, and excellent fully independent suspensions to keep it all going straight. This Jeep GC suspension was designed by Mercedes, nothing like the solid axle great off-road genuine Jeeps. The Jeep name here is a marketing thing, Dodge Durango uses the same setup in a little longer wheelbase.
Nonetheless, the accident was caused by very heavy weight hung back over the back of the Airstream, it could have taken anything off the road. Proper loading matters, heavy weight near the trailer axles, light weight at the ends, at least 10% on the hitch.
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10-04-2016, 01:15 PM
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#142
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1 Rivet Member
1995 34' Excella
Cochrane
, Alberta
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 7
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Bottom line. Did insurance pay out?
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10-04-2016, 03:15 PM
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#143
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Rivet Master
1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
, British Columbia
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,421
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GCinSC2
I saw a small rental trailer wagging the dog just like that demo. I safely passed it only to later catch it in my mirror violently swaying and then rolling over into the median.
Respect physics even if you don't understand it.
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Were the occupants okay?
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10-04-2016, 05:56 PM
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#144
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Occupants, unknown. I was well ahead of the incident and there was plenty of traffic following. Backing up was not an option. But the look of the hitch going L-R-L-R in a swaying motion and the hitch was higher, had the trailer tongue above level on an unknown SUV just looked like an uncomfortable situation.
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10-04-2016, 07:35 PM
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#145
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4 Rivet Member
2009 34' Classic
Lake Worth Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 384
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Posse96
My immediate thought is, the max towing of all Jeep models currently is 3,500 lbs, per the spec sheets.
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Incorrect. The Jeep Grand Cherokee has a base tow rating of 5,000 lbs, and properly equipped from the factory, up to 7,400 lbs. This has been the case at least since the 2005 model year.
In fact, the JGC is an excellent tow vehicle. I used a 2015 JGC to pull my 25 FB across country....it was a pleasure to tow. The only issue is payload - it just doesn't offer enough payload capacity to allow much more than a driver, passenger, and the trailer. That's a convenience issue, not a safety issue - you have to respect the weight limits, which means you have to leave stuff home. But loaded properly, it's a safe and comfortable TV.
Jim
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10-05-2016, 07:35 AM
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#146
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Jim, I was going to comment on that incorrect information but you beat me too it.
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10-14-2016, 06:38 PM
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Rivet Master
Lakes Region
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 815
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Just watched this video, while the craftsmanship is to notch and the video is really well done, I wonder how much of an issue he has created for himself. If you look at 8:18 in, it doesn't look very light and I imagine adding some high end bikes will only make it worse.
https://youtu.be/Zzpwm7fVZts
At least his tow vehicle looks like it can handle it, somewhat.
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08-20-2017, 08:52 AM
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#148
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1977 31' Excella 500
1977 31' Excella 500
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 81
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I believe we require an apology by the Canadian minister over transportation for a couple of Yahoo's destroying USA WORK PRODUCT.
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08-20-2017, 02:08 PM
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#149
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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Rollover in Quebec
I'm going to guess that the receiver added 75lbs, hitch added 50lbs and 2 carbon mountain bikes added 50lbs. So that's 175lbs aft of the trailers axle. Not far off from installing lithium batteries and locating under the rear bed...
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08-20-2017, 03:32 PM
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#150
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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I agree with Davidson Overland: the injuries were minor, not the people.
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08-20-2017, 04:06 PM
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#151
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,684
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Hi
Unless there's info on what actually *was* in the "big gray box" .... hard to tell what impact it had.
It would be nice to hear from the poor people in the TV ....
Bob
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10-04-2020, 06:21 PM
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#152
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2 Rivet Member
redding
, California
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 81
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That AS should not have been pulled by a Jeep. Doubt it would have happened with 3/4 OR ONE TON TRUCK PULLING IT. Would like to know the experience of the driver and speed when towing!
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10-04-2020, 08:37 PM
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#153
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Rivet Master
2019 22' Sport
Port Coquitlam
, British Columbia
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 1,315
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howell57
That AS should not have been pulled by a Jeep. Doubt it would have happened with 3/4 OR ONE TON TRUCK PULLING IT. Would like to know the experience of the driver and speed when towing!
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There are some obvious questions about how the weight was distributed. Adding the bike rack box on the back certainly would be a factor to increased sway. The type of hitch would also tell part of the story. Mechanical failure of the Jeep or tire blow out would be possible or perhaps an animal darted out or another car cut the driver off. Inexperience could play a factor. In looking at the pictures of the road, it looks pretty straight. Maybe gusty cross winds came up.
I was not able to read all the posts but I suspect that the explanation may have been noted in one of the posts.
Opening up the ongoing debate about tow vehicles is what will happen here.
Does the Grand Cherokee have the ability to tow a 6,000 lbs trailer? I think Chrysler would say yes! What sort of effect did the bike rack have on the tongue weight making it too light to offer the ideal 15%? contributing to sway which might have lead up to the roll over. Did the driver have any sway control at the hitch?
Lots of questions on my part...
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10-04-2020, 08:39 PM
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#154
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Living Riveted since 2013
2016 Interstate Lounge Ext
Green Cove Springs
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 8,201
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Hi, folks, just an FYI, this is a Very. Old. Thread.
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10-04-2020, 08:44 PM
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#155
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Rivet Master
2019 22' Sport
Port Coquitlam
, British Columbia
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 1,315
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Hi, folks, just an FYI, this is a Very. Old. Thread.
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Nothing beats digging up the old news and beating it up again!
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10-04-2020, 08:49 PM
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#156
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Rivet Master
1977 31' Sovereign
Vintage Kin Owner
Vintage Kin Owner
Sunset Valley
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 744
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocinante
Hi, folks, just an FYI, this is a Very. Old. Thread.
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Since it’s been revived, isn’t it fresh again?
Personally, with all the new influx of RV’ers, I’m glad this topic has come up anew. In the last several months, I’ve seen some downright stupid rigs on the road, hopefully some folks can still glean something out of threads like this.
Just saying...
Ian
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10-05-2020, 01:34 AM
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#157
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Plenty of good info here, still, and an opportunity for newcomers to learn, including the ability and wisdom to read all of a long thread, and to separate wheat from chaff.
A similarly long read -- and also a good learning experience IMO -- is the " Out of control sway" thread. [hot link in blue]
Happy trails,
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10-05-2020, 08:21 AM
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#158
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,684
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Hi
The basic questions are still open three years later. That's pretty typical in these threads. You have a limited amount of data and a whole lot of guessing. There's never a "reveal" to show you how close the guesses came ....
Bob
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10-05-2020, 08:34 AM
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#159
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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A new forum rule?>>>>>If you don't know the answer, don't proffer a response.
Well, that will never fly.
Bob
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10-05-2020, 08:57 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
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. . . Well, that will never fly.
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