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Old 07-20-2016, 06:48 AM   #29
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Assuming that we will never get any more information about this accident, and that the photos are "it" for "facts" --

In the second photo of the Galerie Photos [link below -- screen capture in next post] are the Jeep and Airstream, with what appears to be that large grey storage box on the right edge of the photo. The details on the box's left edge (as sitting on the ground), look just like the box being carried by the 4 men in the next-to-last photo.

Having both vehicles and the box in the same photo suggests that the box is indeed quite large, as discussed earlier in Post #24.

In my personal opinion, this box was not sitting on the roof of the Jeep. No way. [Reasonable people might differ on this.]

Scary to imagine what it was like inside the Jeep during the roll-over . . .

Once again, hope the family is OK.

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Galerie Photos is at the bottom of this page:

http://www.leplacoteux.com/vehicule-...s-capotage-20/

PS -- Examining the photos is much easier on a real computer screen, or a larger tablet/iPad IMO.
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Old 07-20-2016, 06:57 AM   #30
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Here is a screen capture of that second photo, as discussed in the previous post.

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Old 07-20-2016, 08:15 AM   #31
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Wow, it seems like that box (presumably including its carrying frame) weigh in at 150# before you start putting anything in it!

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Old 07-20-2016, 08:37 AM   #32
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One of the reporters has advised via email that he did not have any further information from the police about the driver's experience, or the original location of the grey box. Their Facebook page apparently has comments about the size of the tow vehicle etc., in case anyone wants to check there. I assume it is in French, but never joined FarceBook.

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Old 07-20-2016, 08:45 AM   #33
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I wrote to the reporter Maxime Paradis to ask if he had more details. Here is answer in French.

Bonjour M. Wagner,

Sur mes photos, on ne voit pas très bien si un support à vélo était accroché sur la roulotte et je ne me souviens plus s'il y en avait un. J'ai pris les photos très rapidement.

En ce qui concerne la coquille, je crois qu'elle se trouvait sur le véhicule.

Merci de l'intérêt porté à notre hebdomadaire.

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Basically he is saying that he took the pictures rapidly and does not remember if there was a bike carrier on the Airstream. As for the shell he thinks it was on the car.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:00 AM   #34
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Every airplane pilot that I know, studies crash reports.

It appears that some have a problem with speculation. I get that. Facts and physical evidence are scientific. Speculation is usually a part of the reports. Although we have no report, photos do show some detail. Of course, eye witness accounts would sure help with determining cause.

To me it looks like both tires are badly damaged. It's unlikely both tires blew out at the same time.

Facts that we know

#1 The Tow vehicle was a Jeep
#2 The Trailer was an Airstream between 26 and 28 feet.
#3 The location of the accident.
#4 There was cargo
#5 The accident appeared to take place on relatively flat road.
#6 There was a curve in the road ahead of the accident.
#7 No one has to participate in this discussion
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:12 AM   #35
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I reasonably confident that the cargo and "the case" is as gator described. The manufacturer matches the name on the "rack" and the shape is correct. Now we don't know what was in it or if it had any bearing on the accident.

Also note that it appears the accident was at the end of an on-ramp. Could they have simply been cut off or merged upon?

In my opinion, many here are grasping at the cause being incorrect configurations or equipment choices when the cause could just be driver error.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:16 AM   #36
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Looking at all the pictures several times it seems almost certain that the grey box was mounted on the frame on the rear of the trailer. Why else have the frame and platform there? Looking at the pictures from the box company that is where this carrier is designed to be mounted. If so that has to be a factor even if something else actually initiated the accident. Probably the rig seemed okay until something upset it and then it went completely out of control. So the lesson I will take from this, correctly or not, is not to hang a heavy weight on the rear of a Airstream.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:22 AM   #37
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Also note that it appears the accident was at the end of an on-ramp. Could they have simply been cut off or merged upon?
From the photos, I didn't notice an indication that this happened on an on ramp.

But I did see rumble strips. I don't know why rumble strips would be on an on ramp.
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Old 07-20-2016, 09:24 AM   #38
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I feel sorry for any one that rolled a AS. as I rolled one on I24 at Nashville Tenn. in Feb. 1969. [very lucky slush on pavement but did not cause situation] I was very lucky as part of hitch broke letting AS be free of tv. Tv did 180 crossing medium strip heading back No. no damage or injuries but AS did 360 roll over and 180 heading back No. It is a very sick feeling to see As destroyed. In this situation nothing could be prevented by me. Hitch manf. was very helpful and covered all losses including replacement trailer. They also modified hitch design per my recommendation, so I can not say any thing bad about Reese. I still use Reese and think very highly of this brand. [Safety chains did not work if so would have been very bad for tv and me and family.]
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From the photos, I didn't notice an indication that this happened on an on ramp.

But I did see rumble strips. I don't know why rumble strips would be on an on ramp.
From the video link posted in #20 above.

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There was a grey box installed on the back of the Airstream standing on the black structure shown on some pictures. It looks like the weight of the box was seriously reducing the load on the ball which caused the sway of the rig and the lost of control. The load of the trailer on the towing vehicle must always be around 10% of the weight of the trailer. It is a safety advice.
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There was a grey box installed on the back of the Airstream standing on the black structure shown on some pictures. It looks like the weight of the box was seriously reducing the load on the ball which caused the sway of the rig and the lost of control. The load of the trailer on the towing vehicle must always be around 10% of the weight of the trailer. It is a safety advice.
Thanks do you know the driver, and is everyone OK?
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First and foremost, I hope the occupants are all ok. From the pictures and video provided, I think they are lucky to be alive.

After the human aspect, I'm sad to see a nice vehicle and AS in such condition.

Regardless of cause of the accident (driver, another vehicle, traffic, tires, presence or lack thereof of a Hensley/PP hitch, weight on the rear bumper, tires, etc.), I just wish that these folks would have had someone in their midst that would have told them that any added weight on the rear bumper is a bad idea. Especially that huge box, no matter what it had or didn't have in it.

Safe travels, everyone!!!!


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