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Old 07-19-2016, 06:27 PM   #15
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Without more and better photos I have no opinion about the bars or any of your other off the wall questions. Continued speculation at this point is pointless other than typical Airforums entertainment value.
" . . . off the wall . . . speculation . . . entertainment value . . . "

???

If we can prevent a future accident, if we can learn from somewhat-informed guess-work, isn't this worth it?

If the photos are ALL we will ever have to discuss, as "facts," what do we do then?

Admit defeat and chalk this accident up to a no-learning-moment experience?



PS -- On the recent Out of Control Sway thread, after many pages of feedback, the original poster reduced the bike rack on his 19' from 4 bikes to 2 child's bikes, possibly reducing the risks to his family down the road. Was this a good result after the efforts of many posters who were concerned about his safety, as well as that of the motoring public? Or do you still feel that this was simply a "guilt trip" I was laying on the OP? [even though many other people seemed to agree with the risks being created BTW]
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:38 PM   #16
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How can you learn from something that you know absolutely nothing about? Do you have forensic training to determine the facts from these photos? Speculation is a waste of time that will get you exactly the same place you are now; knowing nothing about the cause of the accident.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:53 PM   #17
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How can you learn from something that you know absolutely nothing about? Do you have forensic training to determine the facts from these photos? Speculation is a waste of time that will get you exactly the same place you are now; knowing nothing about the cause of the accident.
Have you looked carefully at the photos in Full Screen view when possible?

What is that large grey box and where did it come from? What are the black arms coming off the rear of the trailer, if that is what they are?

If the photos are All the facts we ever have, can we learn anything about possible causes of this accident?

Are you curious to glean what we can from the photos, or do we just chalk it up to incomplete information?
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:02 PM   #18
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My review suggested that the box came from the roof rack of the Jeep. Looks like mounting pads on the cross bars. My eyes are old and the pictures are a bit grainy, but what looks like an Equilizer hitch should have kept everything stable. This one is a puzzle.

Edit - delete last line.

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Old 07-19-2016, 07:08 PM   #19
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Please look again at the photo with the box being carried out of the roadside grass. There are four grown men carrying it! And it is huge.

And in the last photo, it is resting on the ground at the rear corner of the trailer, and it comes up to the blue mid-wall exterior trim on the Airstream, or about 4' off the ground IMO.

PS it is only possible to examine the photos on a real computer screen, or large tablet device or iPad IMO. A phone screen does not permit a good examination.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:23 PM   #20
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Another account of the accident, this one with video:

http://cimt.teleinterrives.com/nouve...route_20-28225

Definite signs that there was something mounted on the back bumper. Also looks like a tire (or tires) may have blown out on the curb side.

Must have been a scary thing to go through! Looking at the SUV I wouldn't have been surprised if the injuries had been more than minor.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:33 PM   #21
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Excellent resource, thanks Grant.

Confirming a large steel structure projecting off the rear of the trailer about 3' IMO, with a grey step ladder lashed to the back of the trailer.

You can take the video to Full Screen and pause it at 7-8 seconds to get a gander at all the junk added under/behind the bumper, starting with a hitch receiver (apparently unused). Plus the two black arms going to the rear and various cross pieces. Imagine adding that grey box loaded with 100 pounds plus of stuff, all hanging that far back from the axles and center of gravity.

[Disclaimer -- the above text about the grey box is speculation. "Imagine" being the operative word.]

S W A Y much?

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It would be interesting to know the weight of that carrier. This could be as simple as a blow out with a resultant yaw which might have became more pronounced possibly due to the weight of that carrier. That front street side tire looks much like a deflation while the wheel was turning with the resultant destruction of the sidewalls due to a run flat situation. It also could have been a blow out in which the driver upon seeing the trailer yaw with the loss of the tire, made things worse by applying too much braking thus exaggerating the yaw. Lots of pieces to all of this and even the driver may have no idea as to what really happened.

You really have to think fast and understand what needs to be done if a yaw occurs. You have very little time to react and after seeing one occur in front of me, you realize that those having this occur must act almost instinctively. You don't have time to try out different solutions.

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Looks like a rather heavy duty bike rack, perhaps for a motorcycle. It is showing excessive stand off for a bicycle rack, but a motorcycle would easily fit there. If it was a motorcycle that could explain a lot.

This is an enclosed storage unit very common in Quebec. They can house bikes and other storage. The company that makes it is Komo Creation. Unfortunately their site is not available right now, but this will give you a picture.

https://www.google.com/search?q=komo...yR3sDDWUPmM%3A
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Thanks gator.

Huge! [4' x 3' x 6']

http://www.ecarriershelving.com/?category_id=31
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Well said Jack. All possible indeed.

Also the tire blowouts could have happened in the rollover, as the trailer did at least a 360 IMO, judging from the dents on the top of the roof.
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Well said Jack. All possible indeed.

Also the tire blowouts could have happened in the rollover, as the trailer did at least a 360 IMO, judging from the dents on the top of the roof.
The tire with the sidewall damage had been flat "a while". Sidewalls don't shred like that in 50 feet.
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The tire with the sidewall damage had been flat "a while". Sidewalls don't shred like that in 50 feet.
An excellent point, thanks for this.

Hopefully the news sources will file updated or new articles, although this is probably unlikely. Any eye witness accounts would be interesting to hear.

Interesting IMO that as more people chimed in here about the photos, a better understanding of things happened, as to possible causes for this bad accident.

Hope the family is OK.

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Another account of the accident, this one with video:
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Thanks again Grant for the video. If you have time, it would be interesting to see if any of the news sources file updated/new articles about this accident (including Janet's 2 sources in Post #1).

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