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Old 07-26-2016, 01:22 PM   #127
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Error, I tried to copy a quote, but it was for another thread. This regard the length. I need more words so the is not to short to post.
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:24 PM   #128
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I'm not sure where you thought you were posting, but this is the AIRSTREAM forums, I do not believe there is even a single "average" person here. I believe everyone to either be an engineer or in school to be an engineer, hence complicated formulas are just snack food (for thought)
I concur. Never really thought about it, but I concur.

Regardless of what anyone says in here, there are toooooooo many unknowns what caused this to make suggestions to why.
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:05 PM   #129
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The photo of that huge box hung off the trailer, way beyond any Airstream recommendation, is not a "fact?"

Airstream accepts the Fiamma bike rack at about 92 pounds total weight, and hugging the rear bumper, as an acceptable rack. And no others as far as I know.

Fact!

Just because we don't know the actual weight of that huge box (empty and/or loaded) does not prevent reasonable people from discussing its suitability for the exact location shown in the photo.

[which is "not suitable" IMO]

So, you've determined the facts. What caused the accident?
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Old 07-26-2016, 02:48 PM   #130
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cameront120, I have by no means determined "the facts." My reply was only to "white laker" who said we were "totally unhampered with facts," so I pointed out a couple of items which seem to be "facts" - at least for the purposes of this discussion.

As to the cause of the accident, I have no idea, as has been discussed.

Speaking personally, and in my opinion, I would be surprised if the weight distribution, including that large box off the rear, was not a factor, which may have led to a sway issue which the driver could not control.

Just a personal opinion.

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Old 07-26-2016, 03:07 PM   #131
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This incident has more smoking guns than your average accident analysis. A reasonable take is that a trailer tire blew and the rig was traveling too fast to recover from the instability that followed. Add in the lack of extraordinary driver skills to compensate and you have the cause.

The increase in polar moment from the aft mounted gear, the possibility that the coach may have been a bit light on the tongue, and the cause of the tire failure can and should be considered contributing factors.

This is an interesting forensic analysis. Maybe not perfect, but don't be in denial. There are lessons to be learned here. I'm just glad no one has figured out what kind of tires are on the trailer.

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Old 10-04-2016, 07:19 AM   #132
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Great demo from Quebec PD:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OPCVC/sta...38710964002817

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f464...on-157806.html
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Not that it makes any difference but it is from the Ontario police and not the Quebec police
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:24 AM   #134
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Third time today this has been referenced.
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Old 10-04-2016, 09:44 AM   #135
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Good demo to show effects of moving weight. That's an extreme, with that weight on the rear if you unhitched the little demo trailer it would fall onto its butt.

There was a very similar demo earlier this year showing he progressive effects of putting weight along different positions on the demo trailer model. I don't have the link. Same idea, keep front heavier than rear, 10-12% usually recommended.
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Old 10-04-2016, 11:13 AM   #136
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Third time today this has been referenced.
Yes, and on-topic in each thread, for future reference purposes for folks reading things further on down the road.



Thanks Papa smurf for the correction.
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I saw a small rental trailer wagging the dog just like that demo. I safely passed it only to later catch it in my mirror violently swaying and then rolling over into the median.

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Good demo to show effects of moving weight. That's an extreme, with that weight on the rear if you unhitched the little demo trailer it would fall onto its butt.

There was a very similar demo earlier this year showing he progressive effects of putting weight along different positions on the demo trailer model. I don't have the link. Same idea, keep front heavier than rear, 10-12% usually recommended.
My brother had an 18' bass boat that was very difficult to control on the highway. We unhitched it and the trailer still went down on the tongue wheel with plenty of weight. I noticed that the winch tower had slid backwards on the trailer, the U-bolts holding it had come loose. We launched the boat and I slid the tower fully forward and torqued the U-bolts down. We recovered the boat and he drove it home. He said it made a huge difference in the handling, all the shimmy was gone.

The weight distribution makes a big difference even if the trailer doesn't fall on its butt.
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Wight distribution For Dummys

This is probably here somewhere, but it does clearly tell a story.

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I'm sort of late to this thread, but this is the 2nd Jeep incident I've seen with a larger Airstream. My immediate thought is, the max towing of all Jeep models currently is 3,500 lbs, per the spec sheets. It's why you don't see a lot of jeeps pulling large trailers. Based on the visual size of the trailer, and the possible add on of the gray container, they could have been well over the tow capacity of the Jeep
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