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Old 01-12-2004, 11:52 AM   #29
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Janet,

I don't think the under 21 foot rule has anything to do with Airstream's. Airstream is just the first company in a while to respond to the market for a smaller trailer that is not a pop up. Many pop ups are under 21 feet. Have no tanks let alone a toilet. This creates a difficulty for the park operator. If they have bath houses and a park full of pop ups then there is going to be shower/bathroom trouble. If their sites do not offer sewer then they will have gray water on the ground. This places the park guests into violation of the rules, but I would bet the park operators can get into even more trouble if they do not stop it.

I think this goes hand in had with the 10 year rule sometimes. Eliminating the gray water issues as well as keeping out the pop ups (actually the PC term in the RV industry is fold down )

As was said above the parks can do what they want.
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Old 01-12-2004, 11:54 AM   #30
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I have come to the conclusion that we Airstreamers: #1 Own trailers that have a good chance of being more than 10 years old. #2 May or may not have reached the age of 55. #3 May or may not have young'ns in the household (BTW that is a whole nother topic about upcharging for kids at a campground!) #4 More than likely have a pet of our choosing. So what we need to do is band together and purchase at least one acre of land in every township, county, or any other destination place and designate it for AIRSTREAMS ONLY! Any takers? Maybe the WBCCI units could get in on the act and as a NonProfit purchase land in their respective areas. (Or we could set up a church...Call it the Caravan of Believers or something like that, churches get exempted from most zoning ordinances ) I believe this has already been done in some areas. Just a few rambling thoughts

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Old 01-12-2004, 11:59 AM   #31
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I think the idea behind a lot of these "Adult Only" parks are from complaints or suggestions made by those who are now in their late 50's and up.

They may not necessarily hate children as much as they've just decided that they've had theirs, they've grown, and moved on...

Sort of a been there done that and now I just want to relax and not have to listen to them or be bothered by them.
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Old 01-12-2004, 12:03 PM   #32
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Do you think we can get tax benefits if we sign on as clergy?


On Edit - Sorry, way off thread subject. Amazing how these threads evolve.
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Old 01-12-2004, 12:04 PM   #33
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A simpler way to "select" your clientelle at a park might be to have a fee structure that discourages families or the those living lean.

About whining: it is almost always useful to question policies or practices that are exclusionary. It is intersting to gain understanding of others views.

Thenewkid64: "I don't think the under 21 foot rule has anything to do with Airstream's." Under 21 feet affects Bambi owners. Airstreams may be more spendy to own (or polish) per foot but that doesn't exempt them from length restrictions.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:06 PM   #34
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I haven't run across a park that didn't allow under 21' trailers yet, but when I bought my trailer I was looking for one 20' or smaller because a lot of state park campgrounds only allow the smaller trailers. I assume this is because of small spaces and difficult access roads. I would be shocked to find my choice of a little trailer could also keep me out of a park - I figured smaller would have the best chance of getting me into anywhere I wanted to be!
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:09 PM   #35
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This is how you get help on where to camp when there are limiting factors.

It doesn't have a Subject of "Discrimination against Dogs."

It doesn't whine about parks that don't allow pets or question the merits of the policy, neither of which are relevant to finding a site.

It goes right to the point and gives potential helpers relevant information.

It actually gives the location the requestor wants to camp in (hint, hint for the second time) and specifically includes off-strip sites as possibilities.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:44 PM   #36
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Steph, it is unlikely state parks will ever adopt an under 21' policy, or a 10 year-old limit for that matter. They are, however, more likely to enforce the "no grey water on the ground" policy, but if you have a blue belly, that shouldn't be an issue.
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Old 01-12-2004, 01:51 PM   #37
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You could just look at the exclusionary parks as providing an advantage. They tell you where you don't want to stay! Any place that doesn't encourage a diverse group of people is not a place that is interesting to us.

We bought our little Caravel so we could camp almost anywhere, and avoid big campgrounds with crowds. The best places to stay IMHO are usually the county, state, and national parks. Just say "NO" to over-engineered, overly restrictive campgrounds!

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Old 01-12-2004, 01:54 PM   #38
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Re: Park Rules - Elitism or Discrimination?

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I recently saw several ads in “Trailer Life” for RV parks. The ads say “55 or over only” and “no RVs under 21 ft” (some also mention rigs older than 10 years subject to approval - see other threads).

I understand the intent (I think) but would you rather camp next to a 54 year old in a nice new Bambi or a 56 year old in a 9 year old, 24 ft. SOB? If I promise not to hang diapers over the propane tanks, leave my chickens and kids at home and invite everyone in the park to the kegger shouldn’t my money spend at these parks as well? I also want to stay at clean, well run parks with good facilites and respectful neighbors. Do I have to wait until I'm 55?

If younger folks are to be encouraged to participate in (and spend money on) recreational activities that involve big dollar RVs, then the industry must change to accommodate them or slowly wither away. Any other opinions?
Janet, remember the old W.C. Fields' line: " I would have nothing to do with any organisation that would have me for a member!"?
It is their loss.
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Steph, it is unlikely state parks will ever adopt an under 21' policy, or a 10 year-old limit for that matter. They are, however, more likely to enforce the "no grey water on the ground" policy, but if you have a blue belly, that shouldn't be an issue.
There's a number of state/nat. forest campgrounds in OR and WA with 20' limits on their trailers. I don't have my book with me here at work or I could tell you which ones. Like I said, it's probably more a matter of access - they don't want you trying to drag a 30' trailer up a barely improved mountain road just to find there's no room for it at the top.
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You could just look at the exclusionary parks as providing an advantage. They tell you where you don't want to stay! Any place that doesn't encourage a diverse group of people is not a place that is interesting to us.
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Exactly! I definitely do not want to stay in an RV Park that is ALL seniors with ONLY big, expensive Prevosts that look down on the rest of us RVers... so I am glad to know. I'll choose another one. There are lots of FRIENDLY parks out there.
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Regarding the kids thing, I don't think restrictions are the answer for that problem...I think accountability is needed for the parents so that it is not a trailer trash type of scenario.....for the others....to each their own... for those that don't want us....I've got a hitch and a tow vehicle!
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My prior post wasn't a dig and it wasn't meant to be taken negatively, I'm just truly happy to be living in a country where we're all free to have these types of conversations

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