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Old 09-01-2010, 05:30 PM   #15
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:55 PM   #16
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upon further review...

now that the full specs are online it's clearer what this is or isn't and does or doesn't dooo.

basically it's a set of ports that stream RENTAL video

to a tv monitor using local broadband connections and yer pad.
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the ipad is the new kid and improves watching video with a pod/phone many times over.

but the pad still doesn't wirelessly interact with bigger screens for viewing.

while i do have one, it's not something i'd ever use to WATCH movies or full tv episodes...

it's got a NICE screen but it's still too small for anything but novelty video, lookin at pics or youtub'n...

so this new aTv lets the functionality of a pad link available web connection, or port it... to a bigger screen.

it's got some clever tweaks to do that,

but basically it's a box for streaming rental video of LESSER quality formats.

the limited formats make sense now because it is basically an extension of the phone/pad...

and u can already buy a gizmo that does this WITH netflix in FULL fidelity.

Roku Player Products | Roku SD Player, Roku HD Player and Roku HD-XR Player

apple might sell these things but at 4.99$ PER new movie rental, they should be given them away...

((like gillette does to sell blades))
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i like the EYEtunes store and it's great for some stuff,

especially when managing a big COLLECTION of media...

but rental movies won't remain IN the collection (expect historically)

and can't be shared with others.

and the shows/movies still can't be saved/stored offline

for later watchin' without hijackn/jailbraking the apple controls.
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really this thing should be FREE to pad owners.
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now the real eyetv from elgato IS cool and has recently be UPdated ...

full tv function on the laptop AND the ability to store content on drives...

or a version to send content TO the pad or record in 264hd for tiny screen viewing.

if you don't have an elgato EYEtelevismo'gizmo...

spend yer money on 1 of those first.

it even has a full program guide and sofa/remote control.

Overview EyeTV Hybrid

very cool, mine is nearly 2 years old and still hummin'

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Old 09-01-2010, 06:20 PM   #17
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:50 PM   #18
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it gives you access to a whole lot of stuff through the free WIFI internet you get at most campgrounds
A lot of the campgrounds have an Open Access Point (no password when you connect to the wifi) but give you a username & password that you must enter as soon as you launch a browser the first time... The Apple TV's don't have a browser and you won't get past this point. No Internet For You, even though you are connected to the wifi.

Only one campground I've been to had a Closed/Secure Access Point and gave you the password to use when you actually select it, then you're really connected, with no further username & password access page in the browser.

So, that leaves you setting up your mac & Apple TV to use peer-to-peer wifi to stream from iTunes in your own little private wifi bubble. Or you can spend huge bucks on a WiFi In Motion kit, or save a ton and buy a MBR-900 yourself, but that's more gear and probably another tread...
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Old 09-01-2010, 08:11 PM   #19
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The new AppleTV does have a network menu option that allows you to configure access point name, password, and various encryption types. However, you can also plug it by ethernet into another access point or a laptop and have it use them as a gateway.
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Was holding out on getting another appletv until the big reveal today. I'm not very pleased there is no hard drive in the new ones, only streaming. I have an older apple tv at home and used it to put all our DVDs and CDs and photos. We don't have a huge collection of things, but it was nice to not look for disks, and even better to not worry about the kids scratching them up. I like it so much, we are wanting a second one to put in the airstream. Looks like I'll be purchasing another old one (maybe they'll be on sale somewhere now that there's a new version).
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Never had WIFI problems

wow campgrounds out West really are tough on their WiFi!!
Never had an issue here and was never asked/given a username & password!

I read a lot of "strong opinions" here on a new product nobody has used. Criticism is good but lets not be definitive. Try it first then decide. I like to keep an open mind.

The first apple TV was too much for us but this one is way smaller and has the extra streaming. Sure you could use your Netflix...but have you looked at the movies available on instant watch? My teenage siblings burnt through them in a week!

I like the idea of Apple getting more shows/movies available by contracting directly with the broadcasting companies (Netflix is doing the same with movie studios). Soon there will be plenty more available.

Even though I personally rarely watch TV, I like the idea that a small tiny little cute box (has to be cute to enter our AS) holds all that potential to keep the younger ones at bay... for a while
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:07 PM   #22
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Yes, if you have a truly open access point that you can just pick from a list of available networks without a password you're in good shape. If at check-in you're give a password to go with the access point name (SSID), you can configure that through the Apple TV menus and life is good.

If you are give a username & password that requires a browser to authenticate then you'll have a hard time doing that without a browser on the Apple TV. Unfortunately, the last few years I have traveled with an Apple TV in CA/AZ, a lot of campgrounds require the browser authentication.

I'll probably be moving my current Apple TV (with hard drive) to full time camping duty since it can be preloaded with things to watch, no internet needed. I'll be purchasing the new model for its additional streaming abilities for our living room with full-time internet.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:13 AM   #23
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Having travelled all over the US (except the northeast) in the past few years, it seems like a lot of CG's have passwords and you have to do it through a browser. I never noticed whether it was more common in the west because it was just another minor pain. Seems like about half are open networks, and closed ones are more common in urban areas to keep non-campers off the network.

Meanwhile, I am getting more and more irrelevant. I don't have an ipod, ipad, satellite radio, Apple TV, smart phone, dumb phone (I am allowed to use my wife's dumb phone though it's hard to figure out). I do have a computer, obviously, HDTV, and old fashioned land line phone. I also don't like the music teenagers like. Bring back Led Zeppelin!

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Old 09-02-2010, 09:25 AM   #24
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Another option is to reconfigure the AppleTV or your laptop to change its MAC address to match so you can use the web browser to authenticate that device/MAC address and then revert back when you're done.

For those not in the know, every device that uses the net (PC, Mac or Other) has a "MAC address" of the format AB:CD:EF:12:34:56 that uniquely identifies the device to surrounding devices. This is distinct from an IP address. It's the same in IPv6 except the numbers are larger...
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MiFi

...seems the problem ain't really in the device but more in the lack of free easy to use WiFi in the rest of the country.

The Virgin Mobile Novatel MiFi ($150) gets its Internet signal from a 3G cellphone network (Sprint's 3G) and converts it into a Wi-Fi signal that up to five people can share.

No contracts no gimmicks. You can subscribe and unsubscribe as much and as often as you want. For just a few days of use pay as little as $10 total! Or pay monthly for a cheap $40! These prices are sure to entice someone.

Read more about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/02/te...ref=technology

As long as your travels are covered by Sprint's 3G network you'll have internet.
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pogue usually gets the info in this column right...

unfortunately THIS TIME someone missed the mark...

1. he suggests "unlimited broadband plans" are drying up...

the simple fact is NONE of the past plans have been unlimited.

the fine print in older plans ALL references a 5 gb ceiling at which point the account was closed.

2. last year this wording began changing such that AFTER 5 gb...

their would be a added charge for data blocks over 5 gb.

this was the first step in LOOSENING these plans.

3. sprint now (for months) has advertised a truly "unlimited" plan...

but it's only on the 4g side (very limited urban zones of 4g) while the 3g side (most of the network) is still 5 gb.

4. so the point is FIND AND READ the actual wording for virgin's new offering (it's not on their website yet)

5. the 5 gb ceiling will eventually be LIFTED or prices lowered just as phone minutes have been less expensive.

the point being whoever wrote pogues column has got this stuff backwards,

the TREND is toward unlimited plans not away from them.
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the previous generation of mifi devices were nice BUT had issues...

for example a 2 hour battery life and NO availability while REcharging the battery...

see this thread of an example of a prematurely exuberant customer who changed gear quickly...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f451...ter-64512.html

perhaps the new version doesn't have this issue.

one can either find and READ the small print or BUY AND TRY this stuff.

a typical new movie is gonna be 5 gb + of data IF it's full hd and full audio tracks ...

so are you gonna be able to stream 10 movies a week or 50 gb or 200 gb a month?

something tells me that's not likely...

extremely HIGH data transmission (above the average for users in your group)

is often considered to be someone allowing TORRENT use of their puter...

this is specifically forbidden in most plans as is other 'distribution' (not personal use)

and so on...

lastly LOOK closely at sprints 3g coverage especially in rural america or near state/federal lands...

in other words where we WANNA BE in a stream.

they've got pretty good coverage ALONG THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS in most of the u.s. WEST of the river...

but 50-75 miles OFF the interstate the coverage dies or switches to 'shared' cellular towers...

which is often NOT 3g but the older slower transmission rates.

please spend yer money and report back.

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Old 09-02-2010, 09:30 PM   #27
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OMG, we (rustyrivet and I) are really out of it. I do love the forum and have an addiction to it. However when we travel, the last thing we really care about is TV (remember the big stock crash, 500-700 or a million points down - we were hooked up to cg tv- ugly, plus it was our 35th wedding anniversary trip and that doesn't do too much for the evening entertainment.) Computer access would be nice, but not necessary to enjoy our outings. I do have some cd's and dvd's onboard, but in our expansive (2 years in the A/S, lol) we have yet to watch a movie. Do play cd's on a primative cd player, mostly to add a little "mood" to dinner. So I guess you would say we are dinosaurs, but we are comfortable with that. Susan
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unfortunately THIS TIME someone missed the mark...

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pogue usually gets the info in this column right...

unfortunately THIS TIME someone missed the mark...

the simple fact is NONE of the past plans have been unlimited.

the fine print in older plans ALL references a 5 gb ceiling at which point the account was closed.

2. last year this wording began changing such that AFTER 5 gb...

their would be a added charge for data blocks over 5 gb.

this was the first step in LOOSENING these plans.

3. sprint now (for months) has advertised a truly "unlimited" plan...

but it's only on the 4g side (very limited urban zones of 4g) while the 3g side (most of the network) is still 5 gb.

4. so the point is FIND AND READ the actual wording for virgin's new offering (it's not on their website yet)

5. the 5 gb ceiling will eventually be LIFTED or prices lowered just as phone minutes have been less expensive.

the point being whoever wrote pogues column has got this stuff backwards,

the TREND is toward unlimited plans not away from them.
__________

the previous generation of mifi devices were nice BUT had issues...

for example a 2 hour battery life and NO availability while REcharging the battery...

see this thread of an example of a prematurely exuberant customer who changed gear quickly...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f451...ter-64512.html

perhaps the new version doesn't have this issue.

one can either find and READ the small print or BUY AND TRY this stuff.

a typical new movie is gonna be 5 gb + of data IF it's full hd and full audio tracks ...

so are you gonna be able to stream 10 movies a week or 50 gb or 200 gb a month?

something tells me that's not likely...

extremely HIGH data transmission (above the average for users in your group)

is often considered to be someone allowing TORRENT use of their puter...

this is specifically forbidden in most plans as is other 'distribution' (not personal use)

and so on...

lastly LOOK closely at sprints 3g coverage especially in rural america or near state/federal lands...

in other words where we WANNA BE in a stream.

they've got pretty good coverage ALONG THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS in most of the u.s. WEST of the river...

but 50-75 miles OFF the interstate the coverage dies or switches to 'shared' cellular towers...

which is often NOT 3g but the older slower transmission rates.

please spend yer money and report back.

cheers
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Are you sure you READ the article (Pogue's) and the Virgin product and plan description? Broadband2Go | Virgin Mobile USA

anyway it seems to me this is going beyond 'sharing' information...so back to where I started:

Just wanted to share with my fellow Airstreamers a new product (it's new features) I believe will come in handy on our silver trips.
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