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Old 03-03-2003, 10:19 PM   #1
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Models hierarchy

A question about the Airstream hierarchy from the 1980's to early 90's.

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Sovereign
Excella
Limited

Where does "International" fit in? Was it just an option to Excella or an upgrade to any of them?

What's the difference in terms of options, between Excella, Excella 500 and Excella 1000?

Is Limited an entire category in itself or merely an upgrade to Excella? What's the difference?
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I would love to know too.

We have just discovered, after reading our bill, that we just bought a 1990 Excella 1000. Just thought it was a plain Excella. Is it twice better than a 500?

In case nobody has a definitive answer about all those options, everybody with those various models could list a description of their trailer, and we can figure that out pretty acurately by ourselves. I hope. Maybe.

Chantal

(it looks to me that things like the number of awnings could be options)
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Old 03-04-2003, 06:13 AM   #3
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Thumbs up I'll start this off.

I used to wonder about this myself.
I think what you're gonna find is a wide spectrum of options will still muddy the water so to speak.
I have a 1984 Sovereign, measures 29ft long on the inside.(Now I understand that A/S measures the length from the outside bumper to end of tongue for: advertisement purpose and, the bill of sales)
When this unit was new, the list of A/S options wasn't very long but, the PO had them all installed.
I.The sliding cutting board.(for bread, etc)
2.The stainless steel stove top cover
3.The A/C option with the heating core.
4.Front solar stone guards.
5.4 sets of window awnings
6.Special order mattress for both beds
7Heavy-duty electric jack. (I'm thinking he said this was an option or replacement)
I think that was pretty much it except for all of the aluminum hardware that's used outside. like wheel chucks, the sliding aluminum tray for the sewage drain.
Where did the Sovereign fit in?
I believed it was below the Excella lineup.
Anything else you'd like to know..Just let me know.
All I can say is, the PO took extremely good care of it.~!! As it was just like new when we picked it 4 yrs ago.
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I had a 1981 Excella II, which I think the II designation was only used one year. After 81 they became Excella 500, and mid 80's became Excella 1000. The II, 500, 1000 are an option package of many options grouped together at a discount price. The package changed from year to year as to content. On my 96 the package saved about $300 over the price of the individual options and also allowed additional interior color trim packages.

In 87 sales info shows a Sovereign model in 25', 27', 29'. The 88, 89, show only Limited and Excella. In 90 the new 23' Sovereign is introduced.
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That's neat to know...
It does seem that,
A/S can't seem to make up their mind for us...lol
I saw once where,(back in the 50's??) a certain line-up model was indicative of a size as well as the options. So many flavors...lmao
thanks again..
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That's right Vern...in the earlier trailers, the model names indicated the length. And if it had the "International" designation it meant it included several upgrades: different exterior trim, extra lights, water filters, bigger tanks, etc.

If you want to see a great matrix of the 78 and older models, check out the Vintage Archives

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It's been awhile since I'd last visited that..
It was nice to revisit~! Never get enough A/S..
BTW, I order one of those stainless steel A/S model.
Cute lil bugger~!!
And, the price went up to 39$, just after I placed my order..hmmm
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Originally posted by InsideOut
That's right Vern...in the earlier trailers, the model names indicated the length. And if it had the "International" designation it meant it included several upgrades: different exterior trim, extra lights, water filters, bigger tanks, etc.

If you want to see a great matrix of the 78 and older models, check out the Vintage Archives

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See on the older trailers I'm confused. I have a 59 22' Caravanner. There was also a 22' Flying Cloud that year. Option wize as far as water heater, water storage, heaters they were identical. The difference was floor plan and window placement. The Flying cloud had a lager and nicer bath but I feel the Caravanner had better bed arrangments more storage. So what one was concidered the higher model? There was also 22' Safari, Falcon and traveler the same year.
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Actually 59toaster, prior to the early-60's, they were kinda "custom" so the model names varied. Especially with the 22-footers...seemed like they had lots of different layouts: Safari, Caravanner, Flying Cloud, World Traveler, Panorama, Custom & Falcon...all were 22', but each was slightly different in layout. The International designation was still applicable as the upgrade-package.

I think the variety of the mid-size layouts had a lot to do with this era being the hey-day of the caravans, as some of the names suggest. If you were a "caravaner" your needs would be quite different than if you were just a local "camper". These were the most versatile sizes for shipping around the world.

Heck, with our '64 GlobeTrotter, you'd be surprised at the differences from trailer to trailer that are supposedly "the same". Especially between the CA & OH models, it's really fun to compare at the VAC Rallys!

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Taken as a quote from the vintage site:

"Airstream experimented with layouts & built custom trailers to further confuse the issue. Many model names were just marketing ploys, and never existed on a nameplate. The 1950's 18 footers and 22 footers were notorious for this."

I honestly don't think you could say just which ones were considered higher. A/S standard being what it is. Perhaps it would be correct to say, more personalized.. Might be a better choice of descriptive word~
The last thing I would wanta see is, "My A/S is better than your's because of a model name." I've seen higher priced units that looked rather poorly because of the lack of proper care.
From a stand point of fixing $$value for purchase or selling..It still gets down to what condition the unit is in and, how bad you as a buyer/seller want the deal to consumate.
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Oops, sorry shari, didn't mean to step on your toes..
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Question Hierarchy in '80's?

I'm reading but still confused about the model levels in the more recent A/S.

Anyone know how they stack up? International, Excella, Land Yacht, others? It's obvious that condition is paramount, but looking at the new A/S, the price is $37,000 for the Safari 25' and $50,000 for the Excella 25'. Probably the asking prices for ones 20 years ago were proportionately the same (inflation).

For example my '90 Excella 25' has a list price of $34,733 loaded with everything but rock guards. The invoice of price paid new was $26,548.... and to save you calculating in your head.... that's a 23.5% discount from retail. (Figures are from actual invoices of PO).

Just Curious! What are the model levels? Were there major or minor price differences from the different ones?

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The past is confusing but so is the present; just what did we buy? Classic is where in the hierarchy? We went in (I thought) to get a Safari but (usual cop out here) Brenda wandered into the 25' Classic and liked it....it was the mirrors I think.

Why didn't it have (the Classic) the bronzed plastic rock guards? Apparently, 25' Classics don't have some options available...
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International

Currently, starting in about 2002, International is a separate product line with a lot of different characteristics from the balance of the lines.

The current Internationals are 8' wide, rather than the 8 1/2' width of everything else excepting the Bambi. The Internationals have no aluminum belly pan. Interiors are of low-maintenance laminates and plastics. Headliner on the International AS is a fabric material; on the CCD models it is polished aluminum. All these things set the Internationals apart from the other models.

Lengths run from the 16' CCD, through the 22' CCD and AS, up to the 28; CCD. CCD, by the way is the initials of the architect/designer, Christopher C. Deam.
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Kistler,
you asked:
"Why didn't it have (the Classic) the bronzed plastic rock guards? Apparently, 25' Classics don't have some options available..."

I'm sure they were sold, but the rock guards were not listed on the options sheet. I'm considering buying / making some rock guards. Hear they are quite expensive.

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