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Old 05-12-2019, 12:37 PM   #21
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I bought my '97 25' Safari in 2003. My '98 31' Limited in 2007, and my 2012 30' in 2016.

By low and buy right, makes it easier to move on to another whenever you want.

However, I had Lewster install a crackerjack solar system in the 2012, so I think this one will stick for a long time.

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Old 05-12-2019, 05:34 PM   #22
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Helpful guide?

When to buy new:
  • Price isn't really an issue, you can afford to
  • You feel "icky" buying used
  • You really really like the warrenty (and trust me, you'll need to use it often)
  • You are not particualry handy and/or have no interest in doing any work on the trailer yourself
  • You are completely satisfied with the trailer/dealer/service center and the deal they give you.

When to buy used:
  • You don't like the price/think they are way overpriced
  • Are not impressed with the quality or design of the new trailers
  • Don't mind working on the trailer yourself
  • Think you can improve the trailer and end up with something far better or far more customised and useful
  • Like vintage stuff or prefer the design features or details of an older model that is no longer offered
  • Don't want to deal with the frustration/disappointment of the dealer's service center

If you are in a hurry to go camp right away, buying new is still something of a crap shoot. Some owners of new rigs can, others find problems that result in months of downtime. Used buyers should know right away if the rig is camp-ready or not.

Personally, it is my contention that one could buy a vintage trailer, invest tens of thousands of dollars into it, and whether DIY, or paying Timeless trailers or some other AS specialists, wind up with a stunning trailer far, far better than new, AND STILL wind up paying less than new. YMMV
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Old 05-12-2019, 06:59 PM   #23
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Hi

There is a term in the car business "full delivered price". More or less, it's what you are going to write the check for. That is the number you care about.

You want a deal with 45% off list price on your $100,000 trailer, sure we can do that. Come on down and put up a non-refundable deposit and we'll get the paperwork going. Come back in a two weeks (after your deposit check has cleared) and we'll have it all ready for you to take home.

...... (later) ....

hmmmm .... whaot's that $10,000 prep fee ... how about this $10,000 delivery charge .... $10,000 wax and seal .... $10,000 dealer only warranty ... hmmm ....Seems like I'm paying list price ....

Just as with "list price" on a new one, "asking price" on a used one is the starting point to the conversation. A lot of places will not bother tossing out real prices until they are reasonably sure you are interested.

Indeed, the discount on a one or two year old trailer isn't going to be a whole lot. The comparison point (obviously) is a factor off the list price when it was new. If prices went up 4% a year, then 28% off current list would be the "zero dollars" point for that trailer in that situation.

Before you flip this around and *assume* you can re-sell your AS in two years for what you paid for it ....not so much. Somebody sold that trailer to the dealer and now he's going to make money reselling it. He's got costs and they *will* be covered. Is that 10% or 20%? Probably depends a bit on which dealer you are at.

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Bob,

I think that depends on the dealer. I hit 28% off MSRP on a new 2019 Classic at Airstream of New Mexico and everything on the contracted was listed in the price column as "included". What the price was is what I walked away with (not including sales tax & license fee which came out to about $3700)

I know some dealers nickel and dime you to death, but Airstream of New Mexico might be worth driving out of state for. Ask for Dan if you visit or call them. The whole process from first stepping on the property to walking away with a contract signed took me about an hour and a half and I got exactly what I wanted. The financing took about two days and then I had to wait three weeks to take delivery. Even the WD hitch was included in the price. I'd have no problems going back there if I ever buy another trailer.

On another note, a good chunk of the reason newer used are so expensive is because people have them heavily financed and they are trying to recover the financing and at least a bit of what they put down on it. A lot of used trailers on a dealers lot are not his, but are on consignment.
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Bob,

I think that depends on the dealer. I hit 28% off MSRP on a new 2019 Classic at Airstream of New Mexico and everything on the contracted was listed in the price column as "included". What the price was is what I walked away with (not including sales tax & license fee which came out to about $3700)

I know some dealers nickel and dime you to death, but Airstream of New Mexico might be worth driving out of state for. Ask for Dan if you visit or call them. The whole process from first stepping on the property to walking away with a contract signed took me about an hour and a half and I got exactly what I wanted. The financing took about two days and then I had to wait three weeks to take delivery. Even the WD hitch was included in the price. I'd have no problems going back there if I ever buy another trailer.

On another note, a good chunk of the reason newer used are so expensive is because people have them heavily financed and they are trying to recover the financing and at least a bit of what they put down on it. A lot of used trailers on a dealers lot are not his, but are on consignment.
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You don't have to look very far on the forum to find a few thousand posts from people who had a very different experience ....

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Old 05-13-2019, 07:09 AM   #25
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You don't have to look very far on the forum to find a few thousand posts from people who had a very different experience ....

Bob
That really is sad. One might think that with a forum like this, word would get out on both the good and the bad and the good dealers would clean up. I'd easily drive 500 miles to get a dealer like I did and avoid a bad one. Even if I didn't get the price I got, the lack of deceit on their part was refreshing and I'd do business with them again in a heartbeat.
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Old 05-19-2019, 11:34 AM   #26
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Hi Team,

We are looking for a new or late model 25RB Twin. I am surprised at the used prices. When buying new one can get 20% off MSRP, the late model used ones are within a few $K of a new one.

Given, the minimal price difference, new seems the way to go.

Thoughts on why one would buy a late model used vice new?

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We have a 2018 25 FB International Serenity for sale for $75 k and I’d be surprised if you can find a new one for that price with 16 inch wheels and Blue ox stabilizer hitch and low mileage. Husband has become ill and must sell.
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:06 PM   #27
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Talking you are looking at the wrong time of year

you are at the time EVERYONE is looking for something to camp in, just like buying a boat two months before summer.
I looked for a couple years, gaged prices during different seasons and rented one for a week.
What most would expect is true; April May prices are up, end of summer they soften a bit, fall soften a bit more, after Christmas, January they are the best. I bought a one year old, original owner, used five times for extended weekend trips with the extras I would have added, solar panels and lithium batteries, AND an extended warranty. I had to fly out of state to find it and pay $500 to have it trailered home, but DANG this 2017 FC 23FB was $30k under 2018 new prices.
did our first shake down trip in April, found a couple warranty issues, most everything is wonderful, love it. Only issue buying in winter, you have to wait a few months to use it in the Pacific NW
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Old 05-19-2019, 01:30 PM   #28
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you are at the time EVERYONE is looking for something to camp in, just like buying a boat two months before summer.
I looked for a couple years, gaged prices during different seasons and rented one for a week.
What most would expect is true; April May prices are up, end of summer they soften a bit, fall soften a bit more, after Christmas, January they are the best. I bought a one year old, original owner, used five times for extended weekend trips with the extras I would have added, solar panels and lithium batteries, AND an extended warranty. I had to fly out of state to find it and pay $500 to have it trailered home, but DANG this 2017 FC 23FB was $30k under 2018 new prices.
did our first shake down trip in April, found a couple warranty issues, most everything is wonderful, love it. Only issue buying in winter, you have to wait a few months to use it in the Pacific NW
"$30K off new prices" .
So the MSRP of 2019 FC 23FB was about $74K.
Taking the usual 20% off. A 2019 would have run you about $59K.

You paid $30K less than the new price a buyer would pay for a 2019 FC 23FB . Which leads to a price of $29K ($59K - $30K = $29K) for a 2017 23FB with solar and Lithium batteries. Now that was one great deal! Congrats.
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Old 05-19-2019, 02:47 PM   #29
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New vs Used

You buy Used just as the season is ending as the seller doesn’t have to do the winterizing or store the unit. It saves you money as the market determines pricing, not the seller. Many times I’ve purchased after the 3rd “potential” buyer fell out and I was the legitimate buyer still standing. This is usually a long game of patience, honesty and ability to store the unit. Plus you get to modify it off season.

You sell a used unit just as the season is starting to take advantage of the lack of inventory and people’s desire to get a unit that is ready to go. This is usually a short game where you find something that fits your needs, is ready to do, has the kinks worked out and you can save a few bucks on the purchase plus the items that are thrown in.

If you buy an AS, just expect s factory unit to need warranty service. Fact of life.
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Old 05-19-2019, 03:44 PM   #30
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To be clear, we have purchased and sold our AS's in all 4 seasons...really depends on the deal your doing used or new.. Our overall experience with buying and selling AS's has been pretty positive. We bought a 2006' 25' Safari for $32K back in 2008; had it for 2 .5 years, sold it for $32K thru the AS dealer on "consignment"; I am sure they got $37K at least for it...We purchased our second 25', a 2008 model in AZ on Ebay in 2012...won the bid, purchase price was $34K; had it 2.5 years, then sold it in a week to a cash buyer on the Forum....for $36K! $2K profit!

Next we purchased a new 2014' 25' Twin from an AS dealer...negotiated price to include a 20% discount with 3 different dealers, before choosing one in CA. It came with a BO hitch, bike rack, and fan/vent rain covers front and rear, and delivery outside CA (Reno area) for tax purposes. Had to pay an extra $500 for the delivery...but all the add-on's mentioned were included in sale price at no charge! Sold it for $2K more then we paid for it after owning for 3 years...

Now we have a 28' FC Twin; got another great deal to us, 22% discount that included bike rack, awning package, microwave/induction oven, back up camera and another BO in total deal. Again negotiated price over the phone with 3 different dealers, and ended up going to same dealer in CA I purchased the 2014 model from. I had also located this unit at one of his other locations for him, so I already knew it fit our needs; this helped a lot since they typically have so many models on their lots...

Recently, we almost pulled the plug on a new 30' Classic few months back; I was able to get a 22% discount price negotiated again with a CA dealer...but wife and I thought about it for a bit, decided we like the size of the 28' and layout; just don't like the couch cushions, so cheaper to replace then get a new 30'..something about spending just over a $110K for a part time home that caused us to rethink our needs...

Used or new question; one reason we like new is the technology changes pretty drastically in the past 5-6 years; ducted AC and LED lights as an example...also newer models offer 3 stage converters, better warranties, etc...I am also a sucker for new technology...question of $$...

Key points for me; know what you want; do some leg work and talk with the dealers on the discount you are looking for. If they are not interested, keep trying till you find one that is, or be prepared to pay the price they are asking...and think about your options ahead of time so you can include in the negotiations...sometimes they are eager to sweeten the pot with "options" they already have with bigger margins. End of the day, the dealers all want to sell AS's...it's just finding the one who wants to sell his more without going out of business!

To UB's comment above; I have never been surprised by add on cost after the deal was done...with new, I always got a firm quote in writing before putting my deposit down....
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Old 05-19-2019, 05:15 PM   #31
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The hardest part in buying used is finding one well taken care of and with the layout you want. Just from my observation nice used AS’s go pretty fast. We bought new simply because it was the layout we wanted, and it was our first AS (TT) and weren’t sure what to expect. Wanted to be able to go to the dealer and Airstream for hep. But now I wouldn’t be hesitant to buy used at all. I would know what to look for, could ask the questions needed, and look at the necessary parts.

The one advantage of used from a private person is they probably have all the camping gear to go with it if they want to get out of camping entirely. That’s a BIG plus. Hoses, surge protectors, generators, hitches, etc.
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We were originally looking at a new 2019 FC, that was offered at 20% off MSRP. However they had the same 2018 version that was NEW (never titled and not used) for 26% off. Dealer also threw in some simple extras. We went with the 2018 -- no real differences we cared about between then years.
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When considering new versus used, sounds like some folks use MSRP as base. New price is more typically 20% off MSRP... Maybe more..
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When considering new versus used, sounds like some folks use MSRP as base. New price is more typically 20% off MSRP... Maybe more..
Expanding on this logic. One can get a:

25 Flying Cloud for about $69K (20% off MSRP)
or
25 International Serenity for about $80K (20% off MSRP)

Consider used pricing:
2016 thru 2018 25 FC run low to mid $60K range
2016 thu 2018 25 Serenity are in the low to mid $70K range

Whether this difference justifies buying used is a personal decision with no wrong answer.

For me, the difference was not worth it. Plus I wanted the 3 year warranty.

As someone mentioned, I suspect most of these late model trailers do not sell for the asking price. Just like new ones do not sell for MSRP.
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Occasionally, you can even get a better deal. Our dealer explained to us that we came in right as he needed to move trailers off the lot and it was the beginning of the season. He said when dealing with new, there really isn't a "season". The best deals are to be had when the dealer decides he needs to move trailers off the lot for whatever reason. Like I said, we got a 28% off MSRP deal on a 2019. That put it in the same price range as used 2017 & 2018 trailers we looked at and we got a factory 3 year warranty.
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Hi

Any dealer who *can't* come up with a story about why you should buy now isn't trying very hard ....

Like it or not, in the "cold" part of the country there is indeed a season. People don't shop for RV's when there is snow on the ground. Storing RV's when it's snowing involves a bit of extra labor. (like winterization ....). Somebody has capital tied up in those big expensive gizmos. Having that money sit for four month costs.

If you wait around, AS typically has a "sale" on trailers that starts mid-fall. Any of last year's inventory that is still hanging around gets another 5% off list. Effectively MSRP goes down. You get the new trailer with the warranty for 25 to 27% off instead of 20 to 22% (at least in theory). This of course *assumes* the model you want it still on the lot.

Compare to *those* prices and recent used makes even less sense.

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In looking at (say) a 2016 that is selling used for $65K and comparing it to a $70K new one .... ummm ...... errrrr. I believe there was a 5% price hike in 2017. There have been roughly 3% hikes in 2018 and 2019. That $65K used trailer is being listed for what it sold new for. The guy is looking for zero depreciation over 3 years.

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Hi Team,

We are looking for a new or late model 25RB Twin. I am surprised at the used prices. When buying new one can get 20% off MSRP, the late model used ones are within a few $K of a new one.

Given, the minimal price difference, new seems the way to go.

Thoughts on why one would buy a late model used vice new?

Thanks

Seems to me you answered your own question.........go buy a new one. You're wasting time, you could be camping.
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