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Old 05-20-2003, 10:44 AM   #57
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Eric, the published weights on the new Airstream site are a mix of wet and dry depending on which model you look at. The Bambi pages still show the dry cargo capacity while the newer models show the wet.

A 19' Bambi GVWR is 4500 lbs. Subtract the 3770 base weight, 255 lbs for 30.5 gallons of water (including water heater) and 40 lbs for propane, and you have 435 lbs of cargo capacity. A 19' Bambi only has the published 730 lb weight allowance when it's dry with no water or propane. Add 255 and 40 to 435 and you'll see what I mean.

A 16' CCD GVWR is 3500 lbs. Subtract the 2855 base weight, 260 lbs for 31 gallons of water and 40 lbs for propane, and you have 345 lbs of cargo capacity.

So there's really only 90 lbs of cargo capacity difference between the 16' CCD and the 19' Bambi.

And if you subtract 260 lbs for water, and 40 lbs for propane, from the published 645 lbs of the "16' Bambi" you'll see that it's cargo capacity is identical to the 16' CCD... not 2X as much.
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Old 05-20-2003, 10:51 AM   #58
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John,
I agree on your weight rating theory.
There are so many of those "political and marketing related" ratings out there that it is difficult to determne on what's real and what's not.
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Old 05-20-2003, 12:37 PM   #59
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Moe,

I see where you got those numbers, however I believe the 19' Bambi is 4600lbs GVWR, possibly 4700lbs. Add the fact that there is such a large difference in the additional allowable weight including NCC is where I make my dry comaparison. Adding for the essential wet gear, propane, water, etc, the Bambi then would be either 193lbs or 293lbs (or 93lbs if I am mistaken) more total allowable depending on what GVWR is correct with the Bambi. Keep in mind that I am going from memory and that I am trying to remember from what it said in the sales brochure. If I am wrong on the GVWR, you are right that the Bambi is only about 93lbs more. I also thought that the CCD was more than 3500lbs. That would make that trailer towable with a class 2 hitch, not that I would do it, but it could be done (barely).

Also regarding the weights, I think you are right about the 5300lbs Pahaska. I think the 3500 that is on the CCD front page is a general figure. I thought it was slightly higher than that.

At any rate, my figures are off, but the essence is still true. The 16' CCD is between 1000-1200lbs less (4500-4700GVWR 19' Bambi- 3500GVWR 16' CCD). For that weight difference, 3 feet shorter, having less storage capacity, really needing the same kind of vehicle to tow either and at a cost equal or greater than the Bambi..........

It becomes really a personal choice of taste. Wet bath, layout, room, price, etc.

When I get home, I'm gonna look at the tag again and the sales brochure on the Bambi.

Thanks for setting me straight.

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Old 05-20-2003, 01:14 PM   #60
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Looks like they're still using the dry for the 22'. 5000 GVWR minus 4210 leaves 790, minus 300 lbs of water and 40 pounds of LP, leaves 450 lbs for cargo, only 15 lbs more than the 19' Bambi and 105 more than the 16' CCD.
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Old 06-15-2003, 10:14 PM   #61
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AHHH... this one had a happy ending and it got eaten by the black hole!

It's like Star Trek. We went down this road before and get to start all over from May 20th!

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Old 06-17-2003, 10:27 AM   #62
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Hi all,

I've been reading with great interest everybody's posts about the 16' International CCD. I am absolutely in love with the design, so much so that I'm thinking about starting to sock away some money to buy one in the next two or three years to take short weekend trips alone during the warm months. (I live in the South and do not do "extreme" travel, i.e. sub-zero temps or desert treks).

However...I'm an RV virgin and I need to know: are there other women out there like me who are single RV travelers? How difficult would it be for a fairly intelligent 35-year-old woman to haul this little beauty around and set it up properly on her own? , I do have a 65-lb. chow named Bear, but he won't be much help!

Please be honest; I'm pretty adventurous, but I would hate to make this kind of investment without being fairly certain it won't become a huge albatross.

Advice, suggestions, encouragement or other wisdom welcome!

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I can't see why you couldn't. You need to make sure that you have a tow vehicle that has the right stuff, not that the 16' is a monster, but there are things you need to make sure you have.

Next is some strength. Some folks don't like applying the weight bars. I don't think the 16' would require it, but it couldn't hurt to use. The fact that you are even considering this to me indicates that you are not afraid to get your hands dirty. Setup is not very difficult and as with anything with time comes exp.

All in all, I have the 19' Bambi and have taken Penny (70# Shep mix) without probems. For me getting Penny used to the Bambi took a bit of time getting both aquainted....

If you're into adventure, you sure are in the right place. I think doing your homework as you have started is a great idea and IMHO, you only live once. If you do the math and come up with something even close (not talking strictly monetary here either), I'd do it, heck, I did it, I don't think being or woman or a man has much to do with it.

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It is mainly a state of mind. As the old saying goes, those that think they can and those that think they can't are usually right. We met a lovely single lady at an A/S regional rally pulling a 34' with a Tahoe. This was her 5th A/S (migrating from smaller to the larger). She used a Hensley hitch as that made the Tahoe and the 34' behave better and made hitching up simplier.

As far as having a pet in a small A/S, you need to really checkout how much room each of you expect. We have a 19' Bambi and our little 6 1/5# cat is a house full (he is very docile and loving and loves to travel). The 16' International is a neat package, but for the money, the 19' is a better buy in my book. It is no harder to tow, park, etc and that 3 extra feet makes a lot of difference.

I do like the layout of the 16' (at least when it had that wraparound rear window in the bed area), but I wish they would build it on the 19' chassis which would give more room for storage and usability.

Just my two cent worth. BTW, you might check out our pics to see what CAN be done with a Bambi interior.
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It's one of my fav interiors!

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I'm an RV virgin and I need to know: are there other women out there like me who are single RV travelers? How difficult would it be for a fairly intelligent 35-year-old woman to haul this little beauty around and set it up properly on her own? Betsy
Betsy, my hat's off to you for being adventurous! I think you shouldn't have any difficulty at all towing. Sometimes it can be a little frustrating, but what worthwhile endeavor isn't? We met a lovely lady in our WBCCI unit in her mid-to-late '60s who tows her 25' Sovereign wherever she chooses, along with her 'camper kitty'.

As a matter of fact, I understand that there are lots of single women in the WBCCI who tow by themselves.

If you'd like a little encouragement, try this site:

http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/

It chronicles the travels of a fellow Airstream owner who just happens to be a single woman. I think you'll find it interesting. Be sure to click on the "Airstream" link.

Best of luck to you. The experience of the folks who subscribe to this forum can make your decision a little less fraught with peril!

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