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Old 05-13-2003, 05:55 PM   #43
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Hey, is it just the angle of the picture, or does RoadKingMoe's picture (above) reveal that Airstream has deleted the wrap-around window on the rear (bedroom) end of the International CCD 16' ?
I had the same question. Maurice ... did you notice? I think you could see the wrap window from the angle of that photo.

May be a compromise. Those wrap windows have to be expensive to provide. Maybe the AC and the shower were added and the wrap window deleted to hold the price line.

When you compare the 16' to the 22' CCD, the 16' couldn't be that much cheaper to build. Same end caps and windows and the hitch, propane bottles, battery, and appliances are essentially the same; those have to be the more expensive parts. Same bed in both and the dinette cost is probably a wash. Six feet less side and roof length seems to be the biggest difference. Kind of like small cars vs big cars; the savings just aren't very much.
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Old 05-13-2003, 07:23 PM   #44
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I can't remember, John. Don't forget it has one less axle but I'm not sure how large an expense that and a coupla tires/wheels are.
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FYI ... I received an email from Airstream this morning.

It stated "The 28’ International CCD units are now on their way to dealerships throughout the US."

Keep your eyes open!
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Old 05-14-2003, 05:37 AM   #46
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Door light and axle

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and the cool over the door light!
Same light on the 22' CCD and AS. it is a nice-looking cast fixture. I don't know about the 28'. Dealer said he has a 28' on order, but it isn't in yet.

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Don't forget it has one less axle but I'm not sure how large an expense that and a coupla tires/wheels are.
I would guess about $500 raw cost including labor to assemble.
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Old 05-14-2003, 10:32 AM   #47
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deleted windows?

Maybe they decided to put a rear corner wet bath in them? A corner wrap window would have been interesting to have if that is the case so maybe they dropped it?

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For what it's worth, the cover of the latest issue of the Blue Beret shows the three sizes of CCD, and the 16' shown has the small stacked windows on the curb side aft of the door and shows the rear wrap-around windows.

It is a good-looking little trailer!
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New data from dealer

One RV dealer has posted the 16' CCD for sale on RVtraderonline.com today. Here are the specs as he lists them:

(from http://adcache.rvtraderonline.com/3/9/2/47882792.htm)

Base MSRP is $31,810.

OPTIONS:
Air Conditioning $947
Sony CD Changer $461
Electric Tongue Jack $297
Spare Tire $211
3 Piece Stoneguard $428
Stainless Steel Wrap Protectors $329
Freight Surcharge $100

Options not yet released:
Curbside Patio Awning
Window Awning Package
Satelite Pre-wire

His listing also indicates an interior color scheme of "Lemon Grass" which is quite different from the one I pictured above earlier. The one I showed is called "Hazard Orange". Hopefully Lemon Grass is a bit easier on the eyes!

Too bad the price isn't easier on the wallet ...
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Here's a CCD16 virtual tour.

Everything in it, including the shower door just inside the entry door, looks the same inside as the one I saw under construction, except I can't remember anything about the rear window.

It is pretty obvious comparing my picture above, and the one here that there may be something different with the rear window. I just can't remember.
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Might be a special order, who knows?
Both floorplans on the web and in the newest brochure indicate a wraparound window. The floorplan and window layout for the International CCD 28' are identical to the one I went to see last weekend at Travelland in Irvine, so maybe the 16' is still being " fine tuned" by the bean counters.
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I just spent Thursday-Saturday checkin' out our repaired trailer at the Terra Port, and talked to a coupla folks at Airstream about the wrap-around rear window. It's a trade-off issue of weight and cost. The prototype had the wrap around window, but didn't have the shower that many, not just on this forum, considered essential... a "gotta have" in order to sell the trailer. Rather than raise the price further, the wrap window was dropped.

Yeah, the price is a little high for such a small trailer, but it's high on all the CCDs. When you consider they've packed virtually everything that's in a 22' CCD into 16' and a 3500 lb GVWR, it really IS impressive, even if not inexpensive.

Also saw a new 28' CCD with the "lemon grass" interior" (as well as a Sharp 13" LCD TV on a swiveling VESA mount and a DVD player in the wall next to it). That color is a green, lighter than olive drab, but not what you'd call a "bright" color. The panels in the cabinets were still orange, but that wasn't as dominating as the orange upholstery. The cables from the TV were plastic tied together. A little split flex conduit would've looked a lot more finished.

BTW, we're going to try to attend the WBCCI Region 4 Rally in Xenia OH if anyone else is going.
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I too think it's a cute little unit, however, storage on the Bambi is kind of tight at times. I can only imagine what it could be like in that 16' wonder.

Also, the talk I had read, was that the CCD 16' was about $30k??

If that is the case, the only selling point could be the tow weight. Even with the 16-17% negot at the dealer, would make the 16' CCD the same cost as the Bambi.

Unless weight is an issue, you'd be paying the same for less??

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Unless weight is an issue, you'd be paying the same for less??
For me, shorter and lighter is beautiful. Less towing hassle, wider variety of tow vehicles to consider, fits easier into the sort of state park sites we prefer, better handling, no tendency for the wife to accumulate junk and maybe better fuel economy.

So to me, it's not the same for less -- it's all the same good stuff in a better package!

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I can see your point. To me the 3ft shorter isn't a big difference. The weight although important when it comes to towing, I took a look at the 16" CCD closely on the A/S website.

True the unit weighs less, but from the hard to compare specs on the website, it looks like only and 800lb (approx) difference between the 19' Bambi and the 16' CCD. The CCD does appear to have 3 more gallons in black tank capacity, however if what I am reading is correct, the 16' CCD only has about 350lbs of stuff you can pack into it. Compare that to the 19' Bambi, with 790lbs, you can see where I am leading with this.

What I found even more interesting was that the 16' Bambi that they have been talking about seem to have some specs as well. It looks from the website that the 16' Bambi (not sure if it is being sold yet) has the same empty weight 2855lbs. The interesting part is that the 16' Bambi can be loaded with almost 2x the stuff in weight than the 16' CCD. This could be due to an A/C unit and the larger tank on the 16' CCD but here is my summary based on my findings on the A/S website (which we all know is always 110% correct all the time )....

If 3' and 800lbs are an issue, the '16 CCD is the way to go if you like the interior. Otherwise if the 16' Bambi is ever put into production, I would assume the interior floorplan would be similar (not avail on the website currently to say for sure) might be a better way to go given what I am seeing on the specs between the 16' Bambi and the CCD.

If 3' and 800lbs are not an issue, and you could care less about the CCD interior vs. the standard, the 19' Bambi is the way to go. Next step up in weight and length is the 22' CCD tipping the scales at 5700lbs and the same interior as the 16' CCD, followed by the Safari line starting around the 6300lb mark which is more like the Bambi line.

Additionally, and this is a personal choice, is that you have to like the "wet" bath. To me, I like the 22' International (non CCD) and we almost bought it. One of the reasons we opted Bambi, besides the weight difference and actual need for 2 people was the wet bath. Neither of us really liked it. I know some do and I am not saying that they are wrong, but my personal choice was to have a non wet bath which the Bambi had and the Safari too, except the Safari would not have been towable with my current vehicle. All the Internationals both CCD and non had the wet bath.

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CCD GVW

is 5300 pounds, not 5700 per the A/S website. The only CCD builder's plate I looked at said 5000 pounds GVW.

The builder's plate on my AS indicates 5000 pound GVW, although 5300 pounds is a very reasonable number given the axle and tire ratings. I think that the 5000# was so that A/S could advertise that it can be towed by more SUVs.
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