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Old 05-07-2003, 12:47 PM   #15
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I was there, I saw it....

There was one on the assembly line in November of last year. I went inside and looked around. I'll tell you this, the bathroom, or should I say "toilet room" is so small, it is almost unusable, in my opinion. I would say it would qualify as a dressing room, not a camper. Why anyone would pay 30 grand for something so small is beyond my understanding.
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Old 05-07-2003, 02:12 PM   #16
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So you can tow it with an Intrepid and not require a Hensley?????
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Old 05-07-2003, 05:05 PM   #17
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I think the orange is way cool. It's not for everyone. Grandmas and Grandpa can simply buy a non CCD International.
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Old 05-07-2003, 09:07 PM   #18
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"I think the orange is way cool. It's not for everyone. Grandmas and Grandpa can simply buy a non CCD International."

"So you can tow it with an Intrepid and not require a Hensley?????"

You boys need to play nice in the sand box!

Brett, lest not to scare off the rest of the northern folk and TB, Grandmas and Grandpas!

Oh and the real reason for my post here was to say I just got a copy of the WBCCI mag and it has three Internationals on the front cover from the baby 16' to the big dog.

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Old 05-08-2003, 12:30 AM   #19
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Angry Bambi cost

I will stick with my 1/18 scale model Bambi~!! At least it not colored for Halloweenie~!!

The best thing is: It only cost me 39.95$ plus shipping~

And, I can tow it with whatever happens to be handy~!~
Heck, I can even carry it under my arm~!!

It's main function, for now, is to signify when the Bar is open!~


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Old 05-08-2003, 11:23 AM   #20
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Nothing against orange...

I have nothing against orange...in fact if you look at my photos you will notice that we used more subtle shades of orange in the makeover of our Bambi. While the more severe use of Orange in the CCD may well attract some buyers, it would have made the units more appealing to a wider audience if a choice of colors/woods had been offered. The CCD will not last if it is only a niche model. I do think the layouts of the CCDs are excellent and I actually like the exposed aluminum interior. I am disappointed that A/S chose to NOT put an underbelly on the Internationals which also means that the heated holding tanks (std on the Bambi, Safari, and Classics) are exposed, unheated tanks on the International. We seriously considered the 22CCD, but the wetbath and the underbelly issue caused it to loose out to the Bambi. We did not consider the fabrics or drapes as factors since we knew we would probably do a makeover almost immediately (as we did on the Bambi).

I firmly believe that the Internationals point to the future of A/S thinking and engineering with features initially appearing on the International and later in the Bambi,Safari and Classic lines.
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Old 05-08-2003, 11:56 AM   #21
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Re: I was there, I saw it....

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I'll tell you this, the bathroom, or should I say "toilet room" is so small, it is almost unusable, in my opinion.
Reminds me of the last "Grumpy Old Men" sequel, "Out to Sea", their ship cabin was so small Lemmon said, " If you fart you would get a concussion!" Maybe the same would happen in the 16' CCD?

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a little different perspective...

This is a great thread! I enjoy reading the perspective everyone has on new products. It genuinely proves that there is a market for everything, but no product pleases everyone.

Quite honestly, if I wanted an orange interior, I'd buy a '76 Argosy with orange countertops and linoleum or green shag carpet! Uggggh. But that's just my taste. I'm not really excited about the mixing of the polished aluminum/stainless/black/white composites in the new trailers either. Make's 'em look to me like they were designed by a schizophrenic.

That said, if you look at the market for 16' and 19' trailers in general, the target market is overnighters and weekenders. I stayed in my '61 Bambi for two months while I was in a school a few years ago, and I can tell you that it's tight quarters, even for one person for an extended stay. I lived for eight months in my '70 twenty-three foot Safari fifteen years ago and IT was too small for that length of time!

I never used the shower in the Bambi 'cause it was just too small. The bathroom sink in the Safari went largely unused because it was hard to use under the back window. Thank God campgrounds have nice facilities!

I'd be willing to bet that Airstream left off some features that we as 'Airstreamers' have come to appreciate, like the belly skin, bathroom sink etc. anticipating that these small trailers will generally be winterized and safely tucked away when freezing temps would be an issue, probably for production-cost savings. They're betting that folks who want a small 'camper' Airstream will use it for just that, camping, and will put up with cramped quarters for a weekend. I must confess though that at $31k (or roughly $2000 per foot) I'm having difficulty grasping what the cost might have been WITH those things!
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I agree, somthing for everyone, but I still can't imagine anything being much better than a Bambi as far as small weekend campers go. We were very impressed with the Bambi's layout, and it had everything you need. Sure you might not want to be IN it too much, but when you're camping you just need a place to crash at the end of the day, a place to cook, and a bathroom. When we were looking at the new AS's I immediately put the CCD16 out of mind, because of it's lack of a shower. Who wants to spend $30k on a camper and still have to use a campground shower? Especially when you can get a Bambi for a little less and with everything you need? I'm really looking forward to taking our Caravel out, but I do with it had a premanent bed setup like the Bambi for afternoon naps :-)

As for the CCD colors, I like them, but the orange is over the top. Otherwise it looks very modern. I do wonder how well that will age though. It might look pretty dated in a few years, whereas a trailer with a wood interior can always have it's fabrics updated and be in style again. Think how hard it is now to decorate around those Argosy orange countertops!
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Old 05-09-2003, 11:26 PM   #24
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To each thier own. We purchased our 19' Bambi last year with the thoughts that when the wife retires we will do some travling. the small size appeals to us for several reasons. 1--Don't have to be TO concerned when traveling the back roads, which we intend to do. 2--less room-- less to carry 3--less weight-- less gas cost. ETc,Etc,Etc. Really all we wanted was a bath & bed of our own. A little pricey, but then what does one work all thier life for? To be honest, we bought it a little early just to see if we can get along with this size or the next one up. Love the Bambi.
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Old 05-12-2003, 06:09 PM   #25
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It now HAS a shower!

Took the plant tour today. There on the production line was a 2004? CCD 16... WITH a shower. The door is just to the left inside the entry door and it has a frosted glass vertically oblong porthole.

The john is on the floor in the same place it is on the floorplan on the web and the hot and cold faucets are down to the right (as you're sitting on the john) with a long flex hose shower. See picture in next post.

I am just totally AMAZED at how much they've packed into this little trailer and kept the weight so low. Even with 25 gallons of fresh water plus 6 in the heater (260 lbs), plus 40 lbs of propane, they still list it as 345 lbs for cargo (minus the weight of options like an air-conditioner) with a 3500 lb GVWR IIRC.
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Old 05-12-2003, 06:19 PM   #26
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Shower door inside entry door.

Notice the teardrop clearance lights (I'm jealous) and the cool over the door light!
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And...I noticed that this one has A/C....and option at $30+k or now standard?

That head sure does sound cramped!

Any more pix?

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Yeah, but none really noteworthy. I came away with the impression that most of what was in production was Safari, with the various CCDs and Bambis taking up the rest. Only a coupla Classics that I recall, and those were 30'.
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