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Old 08-26-2017, 08:38 PM   #29
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:43 PM   #30
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texasvette, I just located the Spring Creek forecasted water levels, in case this affects you in Tomball NW of Houston.

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydro...HGX&gage=SPNT2

The water level by Monday evening is projected to be 107.2 -- the all-time record is just slightly higher at 111.6!

This represents a level TWENTY FEET HIGHER than right now. [see links at the bottom of Post #25]

It is difficult to overstate the risk in my opinion.

Stay safe . . .

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PS -- Here is the water level in Tomball, which is already 6' above normal and rising very quickly. Not sure why this chart does not have a forecast included. You still have a ways to go before flood stage, but at least you have another source to consider and monitor:

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydro...hgx&gage=tmbt2

Right now the level is at 144.81 for the record.

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Harvey is quite the mysterious storm. We are NW of Houston and it only got windy here but we are on the dirty side of the storm. We are supposed to get upwards to 30 inches of rain from the beginning of the storm until possibly Wednesday. Tornados are touching down all around us, just not right on us, thank goodness. We have a small creek behind our back yard that is being watched hourly. It is going to be a tiring few days.
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Old 08-26-2017, 11:11 PM   #31
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I saw pictures of damage in Rockport, TX, tonight. It was an ariel view of a campground where all the units I saw were fifth wheels on concrete pads. All but one were on their sides, most still had slides out. The one that was upright was pushed off the concrete pad by at least 20'.
Rockport is about where the eye came ashore. Didn't see any tow vehicles, I assume they got out....good for them, what a mess.
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Old 08-27-2017, 03:29 AM   #32
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The water level chart for the Tomball station of the Spring Creek [linked below in the quote] has been updating overnight, and they have added a forecast line. The current water level is now 147.53 [a rise of about 2.5' since last night], and the high water level is forecast to be 161.4 by tomorrow [an additional rise of almost FOURTEEN FEET on top of the water level now]. By tomorrow the creek will officially be in "Minor/Moderate" flood stage according to the colored horizontal bands at the top of the chart.

Hopefully all folks who could be affected by Spring Creek flooding have already moved to higher ground.

This is no joking matter!

Good luck to all.

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PS -- Here is the water level in Tomball, which is already 6' above normal and rising very quickly. Not sure why this chart does not have a forecast included. You still have a ways to go before flood stage, but at least you have another source to consider and monitor:

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydro...hgx&gage=tmbt2

Right now the level is at 144.81 for the record.
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Old 08-27-2017, 03:35 AM   #33
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PS -- The other Spring Creek water level station near Spring TX has also started to rise rapidly, after leveling off yesterday afternoon for a while. [link in quote below]

Here is the same data with a forecast line included, which has remained stable overnight [but still predicts massive flooding]. The only good news is that the forecast of the bad news has not gotten worse overnight!

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydro...HGX&gage=SPNT2

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PS2 -- Not sure if you are near Spring Creek, but you might want to monitor this water level all night if you stay at home:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwisweb/g...00065&period=7

As you can see it jumped up 10' overnight.
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:08 AM   #34
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In just 2 hours and 39 minutes [since the earlier Post #32 at 4:29 AM EDT], the water level has risen to 151.65', or a net change of FOUR FEET AND TWO INCHES, at the Tomball station on Spring Creek.

The sun is rising in Texas now . . . to a rapidly deteriorating situation NW of Houston IMO.

Also, there is a new line of thunderstorms coming in from the Gulf SW of Houston, which could also have some embedded tornadic activity IMO.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/ea...r-radar?play=1

Prayers for Texas . . . on this Sunday morning.




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The water level chart for the Tomball station of the Spring Creek . . . water level is now 147.53 [a rise of about 2.5' since last night],
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Old 08-27-2017, 06:59 AM   #35
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The Tomball water level is rising much more quickly than the purple forecast line IMO.

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydro...hgx&gage=tmbt2

In the 51 minutes since the last post at 7:08, the water has risen 1.59' to 153.24' . . . which would project out to about TWO FEET PER HOUR . . .

Chances are quite good that the maximum flood waters predicted for tomorrow's crest at 161.4' will be revised upward IMO. The last update to the forecast line was at 2:06 AM CDT early this morning.
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I read on one of the many hurricane-tracking websites— I think it was Weather Underground, or maybe Category 6— that Corpus Christi never called for mandatory evacuations. Which pretty much meant that anyone stubborn enough or inexperienced enough decided to ride out the storm at home.

Those too stubborn to leave don't get much sympathy from me, because they value their homes and property more than they value their lives anyway. But those who lack experience with hurricanes have my condolences. I still remember when I first moved to the Gulf Coast decades ago and had never experienced the destructiveness of a hurricane firsthand before. Learning my lesson was terrifying.
Texas is interesting, only city Mayors and some level of Judge can declare mandatory evacuation (the governor can't), then they interviewed the mayor of Corpus Christi and he said he didn't think the government should be telling people what to do...

Maybe sometimes they should, just to nudge the ones that need nudging.

Best of luck to anyone in that area.
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Old 08-27-2017, 07:23 AM   #37
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Just found this great interactive map from the West Gulf River Forecast Center:

https://www.weather.gov/wgrfc/

After zooming in, you can see Spring Creek running east/west just north of Houston's downtown. It is colored in both blue and grey because it is the county line in this region apparently. The two Spring Creek water level gauges are clearly marked in Tomball and Spring. Almost 1/2 of the locations, in the greater Houston area, are colored purple, which means "Major Flooding."

If you have any friends in Houston, this would be a great resource to tell them about IMO.

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Good friends of mine have a house in Rockport and 2 boats in the Rockport Cove harbor dry dock marina.
House is ok , their 5th wheel next to the house is on its side. Condition of boats unknown, since the 2 huge buildings of the marina sustained heavy damage.
They talked their son into leaving the day before, he wanted to ride the storm out.
Here is a video of the Marina operation prior to Harvey, its quite impressive.

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We saw that marina footage on the news and realized that Rockport got hit hard. Glad your friends are OK.
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Just across from Rockport towards the Gulf, is sweet little Port Aransas. It took a direct hit as well. We have been going camping there for 40 years. Already had plans to go back this winter.
This is what the mayor said:
PORT ARANSAS, Texas -- No one should consider returning or visiting Port Aransas until further notice given the amount of destruction in the area, the mayor said.The city's police chief told Mayor Charles Bujan the Pioneer Trailer Park, located at 120 Gulfwind Drive, is a "100-percent loss" and a search and rescue operation is underway this Saturday morning. Crews only are beginning to realize the extent of damage as they are just entering city limits.
There is an extensive amount of debris and utility poles down across roadways entering the city.
"We are in the process now of pushing down 361 ... We had to send heavy maintenance equipment in before the police to clear the highway," Bujan said.

http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Dam...441817903.html
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Old 08-27-2017, 08:12 AM   #41
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More local coverage:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-we...t-12002985.php

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Just across from Rockport towards the Gulf, is sweet little Port Aransas.
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Check the NWS wind gust link in Post #20 showing Port Aransas at the top of the list on Friday night with a gust of 132 MPH. That scale of wind would act like a giant push broom for the entire low-lying barrier beach IMO. The imagery will be unsettling IMO.

Forget the name of the hurricane that trashed the Florida panhandle in the mid-90's but we drove through there during a winter trip to San Diego, and the entire beach area was still off-limits. We luckily found a campground in Navarre, I think it was, and most of the residents were dislocated folks from the beach area.

The entire region from Port Aransas to Houston will have a lot of rebuilding to do.

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Chances are quite good that the maximum flood waters predicted for tomorrow's crest at 161.4' will be revised upward IMO. The last update to the forecast line was at 2:06 AM CDT early this morning.
Sure enough, the updated forecast at 7:40 AM CDT now calls for a maximum flood crest water level of 165.5' which is an increase of 4.1 feet. The graph's purple line max's out at midnight tonight plus or minus.
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