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Old 03-21-2016, 04:17 PM   #21
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I have a Trek 8.3 hybrid and my wife's bike is a Specialized 7 speed. We don't use the Fiamma but the Arvika with the bikes mounted over the propane tanks. The Arvika has a locking system but we also use a flexible cable. So maybe not as easy to cut and run as with the Fiamma.

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Old 03-21-2016, 05:30 PM   #22
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It pains me to let a thief be successful if I can stop it with a little preparation. I find the money is worth it if I can foil their attempted robbery. This link to a chain verses bolt cutters video was informative:



For my Honda generator I will be chaining it to the frame using this guard, chain and lock:

http://www.westechrigging.com/pewag-...087.1457656167

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I plan to use this lock & chain for my bikes with enough length to run it through an eyebolt or D ring attached to the trailer frame near the Fiamma attachment on the Airstream frame:

http://www.hollywoodracks.com/parts-...s/security.htm

I don't have our airstream out of storage yet but I hope that a D ring a bit smaller than this one will be able to be placed on the inside of the rear trailer frame and offer a solid attachment point for both the generator and the bikes:

http://lockitt.com/Lockitt/product/ANPS7500.html
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Old 03-24-2016, 07:26 PM   #23
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Our bikes are only $450 when brand new, considered cheap amongst bikes, but are they still at risk?

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Kelvin, I can only opine about Portland where I live and have heard about $100 kids bikes getting ripped off. I do think most of the country is much safer.

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Old 03-24-2016, 08:04 PM   #24
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BoscoMN thanks for the wonderful information. I will put that to good use.

Installation was a PITA in a few places, but it's done and installed. I will say this, our two mountain bikes are 27.5 inch bikes and they just barely fit. I can't imagine this rack would work for anyone with 29er.

Also, our covers did not work. Of interest, one cover almost goes over both, but because it was fitted it's to small in the rear to go over a second bike. I think I am going to look at motorcycle covers.

So far I am happy. It's the best solution for us I guess.



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Old 03-25-2016, 12:45 AM   #25
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Also, our covers did not work. Of interest, one cover almost goes over both, but because it was fitted it's to small in the rear to go over a second bike.
Have you tried taking off a wheel or two?
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Old 03-25-2016, 01:33 AM   #26
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I just bought this 72 inch long BBQ cover from ACE. Fits perfectly over my two mountain bikes on the Fiamma carrier.

http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...uctId=11195422

Also purchased this pricey but strong 5.5 foot MasterLock Cable for my generator and could use it on my bikes.

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-43...ilpage_o02_s00

I mounted stainless steel eye bolts in the holes at the rear bumper supports that are accessed through the bumper storage. I lock heavy cables to the eye bolts and through the bikes.
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Old 03-25-2016, 01:45 AM   #27
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BoscoMN thanks for the wonderful information. I will put that to good use.

Installation was a PITA in a few places, but it's done and installed. I will say this, our two mountain bikes are 27.5 inch bikes and they just barely fit. I can't imagine this rack would work for anyone with 29er.

Also, our covers did not work. Of interest, one cover almost goes over both, but because it was fitted it's to small in the rear to go over a second bike. I think I am going to look at motorcycle covers.

So far I am happy. It's the best solution for us I guess.



I moved our Fiamma carrier from my 2012 19 to our 2014 23D. It's much easier the second time.

One thing that I learned after removing the rack from the 19 was that the machine screws that just go through the skin on the inside of the brackets wore rounded holes in the skin and were potential water channels. The second time around I used rivets in their place and made oversized gaskets, sealed well with the A/S recommended roof sealant.
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Old 03-25-2016, 05:26 AM   #28
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I just bought this 72 inch long BBQ cover from ACE. Fits perfectly over my two mountain bikes on the Fiamma carrier.
That looks like a good way to keep them hidden and cleaner, but wouldn't it completely block the license plate?
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Have you tried taking off a wheel or two?
That wasn't the issue, it's the opposing handle bars. I bought fitted covers and the back end tapered. But oddly enough I could slide one over both because they're so close. So I think a different cover is in order.
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I wonder if you really need a cover when going down the road. We have had the Fiamma for several years without a cover and the bikes have come through very clean when towing. Maybe just something to put over them when in camp will do, might work well enough.
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I'm mostly concerned with inclement weather exposure and not advertising what they are.

Not getting them covered in bug guts is why I don't have a rack over the propane tanks.
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Old 03-25-2016, 12:41 PM   #32
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My bikes do fine on the back. I normally cover them at night, especially if it looks like it is going to rain.

We'll be on some non-asphalt roads in the Yukon and Alaska this summer. We won't take our best mountain bikes. I normally carry one 29er and one 26.

My one gripe about the Fiamma is that the bikes ride so close together. I wrap rubber gasket material around areas that rub and secure with zip ties.
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Old 03-25-2016, 01:37 PM   #33
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I'm mostly concerned with inclement weather exposure and not advertising what they are.

Not getting them covered in bug guts is why I don't have a rack over the propane tanks.
True, but they are mountain bikes which always look dirty and bug guts are easy to remove if not left on too long.

On issue I've noticed with my Arvika bike rack is with my ARE camper top. You have to be careful about the angle of the trailer to the tow vehicle. The bike rack tire rails gets very close to the camper shell when backing into a tight spot and you've got a sharp angle going between trailer and tow vehicle.

I'd probably prefer a rear bike rack but the Fiamma looks like an installation nightmare with my Classic bumper and pull out tray.

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My bikes do fine on the back. . .
My one gripe about the Fiamma is that the bikes ride so close together. I wrap rubber gasket material around areas that rub and secure with zip ties.
Me too. I've been tying a piece of old bike inner tube (the ones that blow when I leave the bikes out in the hot sun for example) around the possible contact points.

I've read you can get a longer support arm from Fiamma to separate the bikes better. Also the lower rack tire support rails can be moved sideways some if that helps. I'm going to look into these. Otherwise the rack is fantastic and it relieves some trailer tongue weight, another good thing.
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I have two AS trailers, each with a Fiamma bike rack. Fiamma makes covers that fit, includes a sleeve for the license plate, and are translucent presumably allowing the lights to shine through, but it is not available in the USA. I have sent Fiamma USA emails asking if they would import but have been told they are not available. With so many AS having Fiamma bike racks, you would think that they would make these available as an accessory.

Maybe Airstream could help with this effort.

anyone going to Europe and want to mule some back?
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I purchased the extended arm from amazon.co.uk. It came in about 2 weeks. Here is a search of their website for fiamma bike cover:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...er%2Caps%2C247
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I purchased the extended arm from amazon.co.uk. It came in about 2 weeks. Here is a search of their website for fiamma bike cover:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...er%2Caps%2C247
Interesting; this raises a couple of questions:
  • so you can order from Amazon.UK and they will ship to USA? Do you have to set up a separate account? I have never used a foreign Amazon domain
  • Think it would be the Caravan cover for our Fiamma racks?
Good find!
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I purchased the extended arm from amazon.co.uk. It came in about 2 weeks. Here is a search of their website for fiamma bike cover:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...er%2Caps%2C247

Is this the arm that you ordered?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fiamma-Bike-...mma+bike+cover
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Well we moved today, about 30 minutes outside town. Nothing bad happened, so that's good. On another note, took a measurement.

You would need a 14 inch U lock to go around both bikes and the Fiamma in the center. Going to see if I can find one. If not I might get security chain like above videos.
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My wife and I were walking streets of San Francisco and I noticed a guy unlocking
"his bike" , did a double take and saw he was using a small hydraulic jack, popped the U-lock and rode off all within 15-20 seconds max. I now use U-lock and 1/2 to 5/8 coated chains to lock my Sondors Ebikes. Will soon have GPS pedals on bikes with alarm to know when they're moving and where they are by cellphone app.
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