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Old 05-21-2007, 10:06 AM   #1
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Green Airstreams

It is time for the first Green Airstream. This new model will be designed with all aspects to eliminate weight. All materials that can be constructed with recycled or substainable products, biopolymers grown from corn, beets and potatos for example. More aluminum and trussed frame with possible use of carbon fiber body panels. Bring the European style hitch and frame ideas this this side of the pond. We know Airstream can build light trailers. The buyers are just waiting.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:19 AM   #2
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This is a great idea.

Green Awnings and a Green mid-body stripe all around at a minimum.

(If I were in charge I’d PAINT the whole Airstream GREEN).

A few weeks ago, MAGNA, the giant Canadian auto parts manufacturer announced a new Consumer Products Division, saying that one of their first projects, a composite TRAILER, would be out by year’s end.

I wonder if this will be derailed, along with Magna’s failure to buy Chrysler and all the other problems in the American automobile world.


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Old 05-21-2007, 10:44 AM   #3
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Carbon fiber in WBCCI?

No, won't go there! I'd think you'd have to keep aluminum somehow. The design may be proprietary but last year Airstream did cancel a new moho development that featured bonded rivetless side panels IIRC.

Yes, I've always thought the Euro Airstream frames and stamped galvanized crossmembers could go over well here. Even moreso with this weekend's $3.30 +/- $.05 gas prices! Another priority would be to get into composite floors like so very few Minuets had. They'd have to do their homework on fatigue failure or we could still see shell off restorations.

Can you say, "Ferrari prices?" Graphite composite is good but kevlar is cheaper for only a slight weight penalty. What about the resulting stiffness and the shell-frame interface? I'd wonder about using it for the ribs to provide a better thermal break -- and give an extra inch of insulation if the structure is lighter! This would sure help the challenge of always needing 110v 30 amps for the air conditioner.

Of course you'll meet resistance here at the forums -- instead of giving out rivets for posting we'd have to put glops of resin between your username & avatar!
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:51 AM   #4
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I really like the idea of an airstream made out of beets.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:58 AM   #5
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We'd love to see a 25FB type setup come in at arounf 5000#. I think that this could still work with a 7.5' wide unit. A green trim stripe would be OK, but the traditional "Aluminum Look" must prevail. I would even like to see a longer tongue to accomodate a generator or whatever.
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I work with carbon fiber. I love the stuff untill I have to buy it! I do not like grinding or sanding the stuff, but man oh man it is some beautiful looking stuff! Currently planning on using some for interior wainscoating on the Excella. Hemming about it as carbon and aluminum don't seem to like one another. DG
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Yea, I'm not into the green color painted on the outside, unless it was an Argosy.

As for being green, it's a great concept, but I've seen and read many times that going green costs more than using traditional materials. If that is the case, then I couldn't see someone who is already spending the GDP of a small country, spending even more for a green package.

Speaking strictly for myself, I would not be willing to spend more than $500-$1000 more for a more evironmentally friendly Airstream.
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:06 AM   #8
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Could be right around the corner...not saying...just saying!!!

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Old 05-21-2007, 11:27 AM   #9
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As for being green, it's a great concept, but I've seen and read many times that going green costs more than using traditional materials. If that is the case, then I couldn't see someone who is already spending the GDP of a small country, spending even more for a green package.

Speaking strictly for myself, I would not be willing to spend more than $500-$1000 more for a more environmentally friendly Airstream.
Me neither. Besides, a lot of products being marketed as "Green" aren't green at all. Just another marketing angle. I love getting 50 MPG and putting 200,000 miles on my Geo Metros both of which cost well under $10,000 new, while some people I know are bragging to me about their Prius and how they are "helping the enviroment." The Recorder

I think we are already doing our part by scouring the countryside for old 'Streams & Argosys to restore and put back into service. That's Recycling!
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Great article and excellent points as well. It's easy to hug a tree, it's hard hard to act like one!
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Airstreams are already "Green Friendly". They weigh less, last longer, end up in fewer land fills, and are more efficient to use than almost anything else out there today.

My experience with composites is limited, but most are expensive to manufacture, vulnerable to the sun, often laminations separate, and they become brittle with age.

Europeans don't always have the best ideas and a lot of the garbage we are fed about "The Green Frenzy", is just not always factual. Fanatics grab numbers out of thin air that can't stand any scrutiny at all. We all need to ask these people to PROVE their statements!!!
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I have been planning for some time to refit an 31' '70's model with "green" products. Rgesch is right that a lot of products are marketed as green and the term has been reduced to just a marketing ploy. You have to be educate yourself on what makes a product green. It is also a relative term in that it can mean different things to different people. Cooperhawk is also right that Airstreams are green because they are less likely to end up in landfills. When they do the aluminum is recycled. A scrapped trailer usually brings at least $300.
My take on green for my trailer has been to use some of the afore mentioned products that will keep the air clean and breathable inside (I have posted my dislike in other threads for the smelly interiors of the new trailers that burn the eyes) as well as reduce load on the environment. The real sticker for Airstreams is keeping the aluminum. As much as we love it I have heard it takes somewhere around double the energy than steel production and 800 times that of wood production to produce (not that I consider wood a viable resource for trailer bodies). For all the fuel we save toting light weight trailers around; we are spending much more in fuel to produce the product to begin with. So while I am tryng to clean up the air on the inside I am polluting the air on the outside (and consequently inside) by installing aluminum cabinets and interior wall skins or buying a trailer made of aluminum.
What to do, I just love the human condition.

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Old 05-21-2007, 01:03 PM   #13
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Great Comments!

Lots of good comments and even the negative ones are interesting for what they reveil.
Yes, it could be a green colored Argosy or if it's Sergei's with a green waist stripe between the black and white.

it is true that Airstream's are already "green" by the fact that they are long lasting and if discarded can be recycled as with so many Vintage units. And as we have seen by readdressing the frame and light towing requirements in EuroAirstream models weight saving and therefore fuel savings start to really add up. Lots of people have a strange knee jerk reaction to the "Green" marketing term. But is anyone against using less fuel?

So lets keep the discussion going. The "Green" thing covers the fuel savings, the recyclable aspects, venting of gases from fabrics, flooring, wall covers and insulation. Weight reduction is the number one factor but the way materials are made and their origin are important too.

Thanks for the replies.
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No problem whatsoever paying ($500 to $1000) for a lighter more environmentally friendly Airstream. Heck I have no regrets paying the dieseI engine premiums either. And in general I agree that an AS is better then most already but using non-toxic materials and weight reduction improvements are worth it.
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