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Old 11-24-2006, 07:25 PM   #1
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So the day before Thanksgiving I get a letter from the City. I am in violation of Code blah blahde blah and I need to get my Airstream down off Jacks, put the tires on and get it licensed or I get fined and possible criminally prosecuted (next Law and Order: Death by Airstream Doink Doink).

Anyway, as the front half was disconnected for my floor project, I hurredly put in the front floor and hold it together with some wood screws. I go to the Black Friday Harbor Freight Sale and buy a light kit for $18 and proceed to spend the rest of the day trying to figure out why I have tail lights, but no turn signals or brake lights.

My ex-electrician brother comes over after about four hours of this and informs me the problem is not in the trailer, but the wiring harness of my fairly new Silverado.

Doh!

I say to heck with it, throw my old rotted tires on and drive it down to the AZ licensing place. They are very nice, especially when all they do is measure it and check the VIN. They didn't even look at the lights. Just goes to show don't worry about the things you worry about because those are never the things that will get you.

Of course, the VIN was one number off from the title, so that caused a minor stir, but I am NOW LEGAL and as long as I don't put it up on blocks to work on it I can assume the City can't touch me.

Sorry neighbors, I'm working on it as fast as I can. Hang in there, it will be a thing of beauty!
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Old 11-24-2006, 08:34 PM   #2
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Hey Dave -- I deal with covenants but fortunately the owners association is only 4 households. I communicate and don't have a trailer in my drive more than a long weekend. That lets me occasionally keep it there a week or more in the middle of a major project. Neighbors know it will always go back to the storage facility. Your situation sounds rockier to say the least.

Zoning issues have been common fodder for threads here:
http://www.airforums.com/forum...ited-6150.html

http://www.airforums.com/forum...ions-2076.html

http://www.airforums.com/forum...not-15717.html

http://www.airforums.com/forum...ures-7988.html
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Old 11-24-2006, 08:41 PM   #3
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Old 11-24-2006, 08:48 PM   #4
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We were vacationing on Cape Cod and while the TV was parked outside a shop, a gentleman approached and told me it was illegal in MA to leave the trailer hitch installed in the receiver after the trailer was disconnected. I never heard of anything like this before, and I usually remove the hitch, but the hitch is an integral part of my bike rack, so I leave it installed if we're using it on a daily basis. What crime is this preventing?
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Old 11-24-2006, 09:17 PM   #5
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We were vacationing on Cape Cod and while the TV was parked outside a shop, a gentleman approached and told me it was illegal in MA to leave the trailer hitch installed in the receiver after the trailer was disconnected. I never heard of anything like this before, and I usually remove the hitch, but the hitch is an integral part of my bike rack, so I leave it installed if we're using it on a daily basis. What crime is this preventing?
I wouldn't trust the word of a single "gentleman" telling you something like that. I would question it with someone who knows, like a person directly involved in law enforcement. Of course, where I live, if you park your car in a parking space, and are facing traffic instead of away from traffic, you will be liable if somone hits your parked car.
And it could always be worse, I found out yesterday (Thanksgiving day!!!) Code Enforcement runs 7 days a week here. Don't ask how I found this out...
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Old 11-25-2006, 07:25 AM   #6
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I wouldn't trust the word of a single "gentleman" telling you something like that. I would question it with someone who knows, like a person directly involved in law enforcement. Of course, where I live, if you park your car in a parking space, and are facing traffic instead of away from traffic, you will be liable if somone hits your parked car.
And it could always be worse, I found out yesterday (Thanksgiving day!!!) Code Enforcement runs 7 days a week here. Don't ask how I found this out...
I hope it was just a ticket and no damage was sustained.
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Old 11-25-2006, 07:38 AM   #7
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I hope it was just a ticket and no damage was sustained.
I got the ticket about 20 years ago for the parking incident. Sigh...
The code enforecement was a code enforcement patrol car pulling up to my house when I was backing Goliath into the driveway, and the code nazi asking if I had a permit. We have gangs here torturing people to death, and they are more worried about a guy parking his travel trailer. Glad our priorities are in their proper order.
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Old 11-25-2006, 07:55 AM   #8
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We have gangs here torturing people to death, and they are more worried about a guy parking his travel trailer. Glad our priorities are in their proper order.
Terry, you need to get YOUR priorities in line with everyone elses! Nobody cares about the gangs torturing people as long as it's not in THEIR neighborhood. I found out the hard way here though, you don't mess with people's parking, their view, or their pets! Our city can spend millions of dollars without public comment, but I'm here to tell you that if you mess around with the parking in front of somebody's house, or seize somebody's dog merely because it's vicious and attacked a six year old who needed a mere 76 stitches in his face and head after he was attacked, they'll fill the Council Chambers with angry citizens... DEMANDING you leave them alone! After all... it is THEIR parking!

SO GET YOUR PERMIT OR ELSE!!!

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Oh boy, Terry! Be thankful you don't live around THIS bunch of curmudeons!

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We were vacationing on Cape Cod and while the TV was parked outside a shop, a gentleman approached and told me it was illegal in MA to leave the trailer hitch installed in the receiver after the trailer was disconnected. I never heard of anything like this before, and I usually remove the hitch, but the hitch is an integral part of my bike rack, so I leave it installed if we're using it on a daily basis. What crime is this preventing?
If you have a vehicle with an energy-absorbing bumper assembly, the bumper protects the structure in low-speed collisions. If someone rear-ends your vehicle when you have a ball mount in place, the energy gets transferred to the frame and/or body structure. Instead of just getting a new bumper cover, your vehicle may have to spend a few hours on the rack getting stretched back out. You might say that someone else is paying for it, but your vehicle will have sustained greater damage. The vehicle that hit yours will also sustain greater damage.

Just some food for thought. (Don't ask me how I discovered this.)
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Old 11-28-2006, 08:30 AM   #11
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85MH325.....just heard that homeowners association dropped the fine threat this morning
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Old 11-28-2006, 10:55 AM   #12
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If you have a vehicle with an energy-absorbing bumper assembly, the bumper protects the structure in low-speed collisions. If someone rear-ends your vehicle when you have a ball mount in place, the energy gets transferred to the frame and/or body structure. Instead of just getting a new bumper cover, your vehicle may have to spend a few hours on the rack getting stretched back out. You might say that someone else is paying for it, but your vehicle will have sustained greater damage. The vehicle that hit yours will also sustain greater damage.
This is part of one of the many problems we have in this country. The victim (parked car owner) is being treated as the offender. My answer is don't rear end parked cars and you won't have to worry about being protected from them!
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While I don't have a dog in this fight, I am aware that the peace sign is considered to be a satanic symbol. It is an inverted broken cross and was originally a symbol used in witchcraft and later found its way into the '60's counter culture and somehow into the peace movement and anti-authority movements of the hippies.

Anyway, as much as I would have not wanted to see one plastered on one of the houses in my neighborhood, I would have to have sided with the homeowner in that, whatever she was trying to say, her right to freedom of expression is guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and it is Constitutional for her to display whatever symbolism she wants. As long as it isn't obscene the homeowners' association can't prevent it. Or at least they would have a long loosing battle on their hands. The president of the homeowners' association may have been advised so if he consulted legal expertise in an attempt to persue the fines and court action.
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...While I don't have a dog in this fight, I am aware that the peace sign is considered to be a satanic symbol. It is an inverted broken cross and was originally a symbol used in witchcraft and later found its way into the '60's counter culture and somehow into the peace movement and anti-authority movements of the hippies...
I don't have a dog in this fight either, but I was told by a Vietnam era ex-Navy guy that it is the combination of two semaphore signals "n" and "d" for nuclear disarmament.

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Old 11-28-2006, 11:28 AM   #14
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I am in violation at my house and have been for 4 years. No HOA so far no hassle. Code says behind front plane of house behind privacy fence.

My neighbors house sits further back then mine. The front of their house is nearly where the rear of mine is. The low spot between the houses is the Neighbors driveway along the property line.

I have been asked several times if "I'm keeping it". Well for the first 3 years it was on the driveway. I thought I would be nice and at great pains in my back I leveled out next to the garage to get the trailer off the drive and next to the house. With the house giving t some scale I figured it would look better to the neighbor. The property is about 12.5 ft off the side of the house so to have easy access to the door its still prone the front of the garage. This also allows me enough room to get my lawn tractor from front yard to back yard (3ft retaining wall on other side of house).

SO she decided it being "closer to her house" was a bit of a problem. We talked with her boyfriend (she's nearly 70) there. Her questioning why I cant' put it on the other side of the house (soft ground pine trees not on my yard retaining wall, telephone pole no room to maneuver it).

So I explained to her the "code". I currently have no way to put it in my back yard. My fence along her property line is between 6-12ft on my property. (This strip of land happens to be the only way she can get her lawn tractor into her back yard.). She questions if its on her property...well the rear stake is clearly visible and we bot know where it is. The front stake is buried but I roughly know where it is and if you sight down them her driveway is only about 2 ft off the line. The retaining wall mige be partly on her property but the coach isn't.

SO she is starting to insinuate calling the county and reporting me. I go onto explain what I would have to do to be "in compliance". It would include moving my fence out ot the property line grading along the side of the house and a privacy fence that the camper would still be taller then.

Honestly other then the cost to move the fence and finish the retaining wall and a few trees removed I really wouldn't mind access to my back yard. Course its going to be really rough on her back to carry her lawn tractor Up the steps in her retain wall so she can mow her back yard since she wouldn be able to drive around her wall in my yard. Her boy friend understood the fence moving they would be on the loosing end more then I and shut her up.
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